KC135

Is there a trip or duty rig?

v1rotate88

Lmao yea. Its called so it or get a missed assignment.

bruhaha

What's that? No such animal at envoy.

sublime259

This times a million. Until our management stops punishing us I wouldn't recommend any new-hire coming here. Long term I think things will be fine, but in the meantime it's absolutely awful. Just when you think the QOL can't get any worse, it somehow does.

Edit: There are also 3 days in DFW worth 3 hours. You heard right. You can thank Ric Wilson for that...if there ever was a manager who needed to go, it's him.

SMACFUM

Seriously ?!?! You guys don't have any type of trip/duty rig, or min. day guarantee pay?

sublime259

Negative. Nothing. We never have. If we even had semi-efficient trips, then trip/duty rigs or min day guarantee would be pointless. With the way our illustrious management team has built our schedules, they are a necessity.

JT8D

Refer to the thread titled DON'T COME TO ENVOY and... DON'T GO TO ENVOY

Blackwing

Because it requires less skill to fly?

Senior Skipper

I love it when people try and make new guys feel bad for wanting to fly newer equipment. Why fly a 175 or jet, instead of a 145 or prop?

The fact is that newer equipment is more appealing, and generally pays more.

To the new guys, that's not to say that it makes sense to chase an airframe. After around 300 hours, maybe 4-6 months, the novelty and wow factor of the airplane will wear off. Oher things (like upgrade time, pay, time off, job stability) will weigh more heavily on your mind than what type of airplane you fly.

Nobody bids an airplane for the sake of flying that plane. There are always other overriding factors (base, pay, time off).

That being said, go to a regional with growth potential. Don't pick a place that is shrinking. If you want to go to an airline, and find out that many of the pilots are leaving, that should be a huge red flag.

jdflyer1999

On RSV it's a minimum of 3:54 minutes per day. Line holders are either protected to either their line value for the month, minimum line value (72), or what they actually fly, whichever is greater.

Examples: awarded line worth 65 hours. Due to weather you have 2 days cancel (loss of 7 hours flying). You then complete rest of month with about 58 hours of flying. Your pay is for 72 hours.

Same example except now line is worth 85 hours. You will be paid for 85 hours.

More creative pay buffering. You are awarded a CDO line with 32 hours of flying (Guarantee of 72 hours). You drop 4 days (2 CDO's) each worth 2.5 hours each. You then pick up 4 day OT trip worth 15 hours. You now get paid 72-5+15=82 hours with 15 hours paid at 150% or 200%.

Trip/duty rigs would be nice because it would force them create more efficient trips or pay us more.