Envoy new hire in 175?
07-22-2015, 06:08 PM
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That's one perspective/possability. If envoy continues to shrink the 145 fleet at the same pace people leave then there will be no displacements off it. In that case all new hires will get the 175 as it is growing. That would leave someone hired this summer as the bottom guy on the 145 hating life. Similar thing happened on the crj back in 2010/11 with new guys getting crj lines while emj guys hired years before were on ready reserve listening to complaints about junior guys not getting the lines they wanted. Only after multiple small displacements was the sifting completed and seniority evened out. Likely same thing will happen again
07-22-2015, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot
That's one perspective/possability. If envoy continues to shrink the 145 fleet at the same pace people leave then there will be no displacements off it. In that case all new hires will get the 175 as it is growing. That would leave someone hired this summer as the bottom guy on the 145 hating life. Similar thing happened on the crj back in 2010/11 with new guys getting crj lines while emj guys hired years before were on ready reserve listening to complaints about junior guys not getting the lines they wanted. Only after multiple small displacements was the sifting completed and seniority evened out. Likely same thing will happen again
We should be done shrinking by the end of this year. I believe the CRJs will stay longer than expected. AAG need us to fly those Aspen trips, which nobody else can do them.
I think once the 175s get into property envoy might be a place to be again.
07-22-2015, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
We are getting 2 EMJs out of the desert to cover flying from DC.
We should be done shrinking by the end of this year. I believe the CRJs will stay longer than expected. AAG need us to fly those Aspen trips, which nobody else can do them.
I think once the 175s get into property envoy might be a place to be again.
We should be done shrinking by the end of this year. I believe the CRJs will stay longer than expected. AAG need us to fly those Aspen trips, which nobody else can do them.
I think once the 175s get into property envoy might be a place to be again.
Management's strategy is to TALK about how great things will be, all the while doing the exact opposite. Our "leadership" (I use that word very loosely) have made employee-management relations the worst in this companies history. A new-hire coming here could very well be getting ahead of the game in their career, just be prepared to be treated like a piece of dirt for the foreseeable future.
07-22-2015, 08:16 PM
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The thread is about 175s and who gets on them. I'm saying that if your already at envoy and your not scheduled to get on one of the first deliveries then your stuck on the 145 bc they will never displace you off of it in our 2 bases. New hires will be getting the 175s as they are brought on property. 145s will not leave entirely and it'll be doing atr flying while the 175 does longer legs. Let's all look forward to the internal strife that will cause. That is all.......
07-22-2015, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot
The thread is about 175s and who gets on them. I'm saying that if your already at envoy and your not scheduled to get on one of the first deliveries then your stuck on the 145 bc they will never displace you off of it in our 2 bases. New hires will be getting the 175s as they are brought on property. 145s will not leave entirely and it'll be doing atr flying while the 175 does longer legs. Let's all look forward to the internal strife that will cause. That is all.......
07-23-2015, 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot
The thread is about 175s and who gets on them. I'm saying that if your already at envoy and your not scheduled to get on one of the first deliveries then your stuck on the 145 bc they will never displace you off of it in our 2 bases. New hires will be getting the 175s as they are brought on property. 145s will not leave entirely and it'll be doing atr flying while the 175 does longer legs. Let's all look forward to the internal strife that will cause. That is all.......
Most of them ended up on reserve when we started losing flying to other airlines.
07-23-2015, 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
We are getting 2 EMJs out of the desert to cover flying from DC.
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
We should be done shrinking by the end of this year.
Still, they're flexible enough to change as needed.
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
I believe the CRJs will stay longer than expected.
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
AAG need us to fly those Aspen trips
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
I think once the 175s get into property envoy might be a place to be again.
07-23-2015, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
They need to fix QOL first before anybody recommends it again in my opinion. They came out with their turning it around stuff, then did nothing to back it up, and actually treated us worse.
Looks like it's time to admit that it doesn't appear to be a very good time to be an Envoy pilot after all.
07-23-2015, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Reneging on promises has been their M.O. for decades. That's a major point I made about your incessant sales tactics here that others may be unaware of. Everyone should be able to get more than one side to a story (or sales pitch).
Originally Posted by eaglefly
Looks like it's time to admit that it doesn't appear to be a very good time to be an Envoy pilot after all.
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