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TalkTurkey 07-29-2015 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by iFlyRC (Post 1939536)
Brand new, 952LR, and 953LR.
The Alitalia ones have been on the line for quite some time.

I wish you guys would take back these crappy 600-607LRs back from delters.

iFlyRC 07-29-2015 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1939563)
I wish you guys would take back these crappy 600-607LRs back from delters.

As I understand it, Delta owns those outright.

bonesbrigade 07-29-2015 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by TalkTurkey (Post 1939563)
I wish you guys would take back these crappy 600-607LRs back from delters.

Those are at Endeavor, from Mesaba... we call them the Freedom 5.

Weird options too, dual HF radios, dual radar tuning heads, extra closets, yet no extra FA jumpseat up front. I'd be fine if I never flew them again but they seem to show up at my gate quite often.

Waitingformins 07-29-2015 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 1939093)
Envoy has been doing flying in MIA for Republic for flying they cannot staff after our base was shut down. Our NYC base is in closing as well. Our upgrade stands at 7 years...soon to be 8. 12 year guys are on reserve. All DFW trips are 4 days(25 year CA doing a 4 day trip?) with most lines being less than guarantee. We've had 2 concessionary contracts, they've given our planes away and stripped us of our name. After all that we are eeking out a better performance of airlines who are hiring CQFO's, offering jobs over the phone, have quick CA upgrades and are growing. Mesa's performance in DFW is abysmal and is becoming legendary. You made a point about overall airline performance and I made a counter point about a specific base and Mesa's failures there. Go back and read my post and stop being antagonistic.

Doesn't it seem reasonable that they watered down the lines if they are heavy on pilots. Seems like the other option would be to consolidate the lines and layoff the excess pilots. I am sure the Envoy mgmt is doing the best they can with what they have to work with. I doubt they have control over how many overall block hours they get.

At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?

Buzzlightyear 07-29-2015 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1939847)
Doesn't it seem reasonable that they watered down the lines if they are heavy on pilots. Seems like the other option would be to consolidate the lines and layoff the excess pilots. I am sure the Envoy mgmt is doing the best they can with what they have to work with. I doubt they have control over how many overall block hours they get.

At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?

Our management has told us they are experimenting with our lines and staffing to show AAG that we have the warm bodies for additional block hours. Yet when the lines are published we get all 4 day trips, less than guarantee and 11 day off lines. They need to fix the lies not lie more.

I will say however, we will be hearing soon about several thousand more block hours from AAG for September from others who cannot staff it.

Waitingformins 07-29-2015 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 1939851)
Our management has told us they are experimenting with our lines and staffing to show AAG that we have the warm bodies for additional block hours. Yet when the lines are published we get all 4 day trips, less than guarantee and 11 day off lines. They need to fix the lies not lie more.

I will say however, we will be hearing soon about several thousand more block hours from AAG for September from others who cannot staff it.

I understand, it just seems like they would hesitate paying half the guys over guarantee if the other half aren't even flying half of guarantee. Sounds like they leveled everybody until the E jets show and they need them, more than a cultural change, hopefully.

buddies8 07-29-2015 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1939847)
Doesn't it seem reasonable that they watered down the lines if they are heavy on pilots. Seems like the other option would be to consolidate the lines and layoff the excess pilots. I am sure the Envoy mgmt is doing the best they can with what they have to work with. I doubt they have control over how many overall block hours they get.

At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?

yes........

RyanP 07-29-2015 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Waitingformins (Post 1939847)
Doesn't it seem reasonable that they watered down the lines if they are heavy on pilots. Seems like the other option would be to consolidate the lines and layoff the excess pilots. I am sure the Envoy mgmt is doing the best they can with what they have to work with. I doubt they have control over how many overall block hours they get.

At the expense of sounding harsh, is a senior Envoy captain that's about to flow upset he got a 72 hour line instead of 92 so the guy at the bottom could keep his job?

The problem isn't necessarily a 72 hour line. I'm fine with that. The problem is a 72 hr line with 11 days off non commutable on both ends instead of 15-19 off and commutable like they use to be. Now we end up with like 7days off a month and min pay.

Honestly, a junior pilot here would be better off getting furloughed. They have no future here, may as well get out and move on early before they waste too much time here like the rest of us.

Blueskeyes 07-30-2015 10:41 AM

[QUOTE=PilotCrusader;1939537]Well cool! Hopefully they solve the maintenance issues![/QU

All the new CRJ's coming off the line are built on a Friday afternoon before a holiday weekend.

BitterOHFO 07-30-2015 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Buzzlightyear (Post 1939851)
Our management has told us they are experimenting with our lines and staffing to show AAG that we have the warm bodies for additional block hours. Yet when the lines are published we get all 4 day trips, less than guarantee and 11 day off lines. They need to fix the lies not lie more.

I will say however, we will be hearing soon about several thousand more block hours from AAG for September from others who cannot staff it.

I'm sure they asked us at AWAC to cover that! We are maxed out covering PSA flying!


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