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FrequentFly3r 07-28-2015 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1939311)
Long story short, if your planes had ACARS times would automatically transmit and there would be no need for in range calls or time reports. End of story.

So whatever it is Mesa has, it's not a proper ACARS. Especially when you guys can make up whatever out/in time you need to show on time departures and arrivals.

I'm honestly not sure if you're just trolling or if you're actually incapable of understanding what has been said here several times. Our ACARS reports OOOI times automatically. We do not call our times on our own.

squawkoff 07-28-2015 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1939311)
Long story short, if your planes had ACARS times would automatically transmit and there would be no need for in range calls or time reports. End of story.

So whatever it is Mesa has, it's not a proper ACARS. Especially when you guys can make up whatever out/in time you need to show on time departures and arrivals.

Mesa aircraft have ACARS but doesn't have a printer. Thus the need to call for clearance, etc.

gojo 07-28-2015 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by squawkoff (Post 1939320)
Mesa aircraft have ACARS but doesn't have a printer. Thus the need to call for clearance, etc.

Huh, can they not read acars or is it just not set up to receive the clearance?

ScottyDo 07-28-2015 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Skyvector (Post 1939311)
Long story short, if your planes had ACARS times would automatically transmit and there would be no need for in range calls or time reports. End of story.

So whatever it is Mesa has, it's not a proper ACARS. Especially when you guys can make up whatever out/in time you need to show on time departures and arrivals.


You have to be trolling right now....

Doubleknuckle 07-28-2015 07:01 PM

Sky,

What is so f'ing hard to understand here? To be honest, you sound like someone that is not even an airline pilot. Are you having fun playing flight simulator on your sweet setup in the garage? Do you not understand that airlines use different services? Here is the thing, Mesa HAS ACARS that reports OOOI times in their airplanes. There are NO magic IN/OUT numbers being called in. They DO NOT currently have
the ability to receive PDC, ATIS, or IN RANGE (thus the need to call for a gate, clearance and listen to the ridiculously long ATIS). Try getting a clearance in IAD sometime, numerous airlines are calling nonstop. I don't know if you work for envoy. If so, then you have everything in your little Universal FMS magic box. It is absolutely crazy that other regional airlines do not have the wonderful features envoy has. Sorry to ruin you conspiracy theory against the Devil's airline. Oh and by the way, this is not new to DFW.

Ok....let's take a little look back at the history of the illustrious "B" terminal in DFW. A little over two years should do it...around Valentines day 2013. A little company called Expressjet moved 11 CRJ 200s into the Eagle's nest, so to say. Maintenance was a huge issues initially, I believe they did not even have a spare aircraft in the beginning. They had the same issues that Mesa is facing. There were tons of delayed or cancelled flights. Everyone complained about how horrible the operation was, even the outstations. Envoy was going to get that flying back....over two years later, it looks like they righted their ship. Oh well, keep letting Mesa get under your skin. Try to get some sleep.

PSASUX 07-29-2015 01:29 AM

Out of curiosity, what triggers your out time at Mesa? My understanding is that some ACARS trigger upon door closure. For us it is wheel movement. Which is why we ask for 10 and hold.

TalkTurkey 07-29-2015 02:16 AM


Originally Posted by Doubleknuckle (Post 1939351)
Sky,

What is so f'ing hard to understand here? To be honest, you sound like someone that is not even an airline pilot. Are you having fun playing flight simulator on your sweet setup in the garage? Do you not understand that airlines use different services? Here is the thing, Mesa HAS ACARS that reports OOOI times in their airplanes. There are NO magic IN/OUT numbers being called in. They DO NOT currently have
the ability to receive PDC, ATIS, or IN RANGE (thus the need to call for a gate, clearance and listen to the ridiculously long ATIS). Try getting a clearance in IAD sometime, numerous airlines are calling nonstop. I don't know if you work for envoy. If so, then you have everything in your little Universal FMS magic box. It is absolutely crazy that other regional airlines do not have the wonderful features envoy has. Sorry to ruin you conspiracy theory against the Devil's airline. Oh and by the way, this is not new to DFW.

Ok....let's take a little look back at the history of the illustrious "B" terminal in DFW. A little over two years should do it...around Valentines day 2013. A little company called Expressjet moved 11 CRJ 200s into the Eagle's nest, so to say. Maintenance was a huge issues initially, I believe they did not even have a spare aircraft in the beginning. They had the same issues that Mesa is facing. There were tons of delayed or cancelled flights. Everyone complained about how horrible the operation was, even the outstations. Envoy was going to get that flying back....over two years later, it looks like they righted their ship. Oh well, keep letting Mesa get under your skin. Try to get some sleep.

Easy there, Captain happy.

PilotJ3 07-29-2015 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by Doubleknuckle (Post 1939351)
Sky,

What is so f'ing hard to understand here? To be honest, you sound like someone that is not even an airline pilot. Are you having fun playing flight simulator on your sweet setup in the garage? Do you not understand that airlines use different services? Here is the thing, Mesa HAS ACARS that reports OOOI times in their airplanes. There are NO magic IN/OUT numbers being called in. They DO NOT currently have
the ability to receive PDC, ATIS, or IN RANGE (thus the need to call for a gate, clearance and listen to the ridiculously long ATIS). Try getting a clearance in IAD sometime, numerous airlines are calling nonstop. I don't know if you work for envoy. If so, then you have everything in your little Universal FMS magic box. It is absolutely crazy that other regional airlines do not have the wonderful features envoy has. Sorry to ruin you conspiracy theory against the Devil's airline. Oh and by the way, this is not new to DFW.

Ok....let's take a little look back at the history of the illustrious "B" terminal in DFW. A little over two years should do it...around Valentines day 2013. A little company called Expressjet moved 11 CRJ 200s into the Eagle's nest, so to say. Maintenance was a huge issues initially, I believe they did not even have a spare aircraft in the beginning. They had the same issues that Mesa is facing. There were tons of delayed or cancelled flights. Everyone complained about how horrible the operation was, even the outstations. Envoy was going to get that flying back....over two years later, it looks like they righted their ship. Oh well, keep letting Mesa get under your skin. Try to get some sleep.

The difference between Mesa and Xjet is that they awarded MESA flying to Envoy in the summer. We only covered some flights for Xjet, no as much as we are covering for Mesa.

Mesa is growing too fast for the amount of pilots out there. Look at RAH imploding now after several RFP awards, they where growing slowly compared to Mesa.

It's just a matter of time. Once the fast upgrade illusion is gone at Mesa, it will happen the same its happening to RAH. PSA is in another though spot with a huge training bubble, can't keep up with the growing.

chrisreedrules 07-29-2015 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1939468)
The difference between Mesa and Xjet is that they awarded MESA flying to Envoy in the summer. We only covered some flights for Xjet, no as much as we are covering for Mesa.

Mesa is growing too fast for the amount of pilots out there. Look at RAH imploding now after several RFP awards, they where growing slowly compared to Mesa.

It's just a matter of time. Once the fast upgrade illusion is gone at Mesa, it will happen the same its happening to RAH. PSA is in another though spot with a huge training bubble, can't keep up with the growing.

Where did the rumor start that PSA isn't keeping up with the airplanes? We are FAT on FOs at the moment. Aka... We have more pilots than planes.

iFlyRC 07-29-2015 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1939468)
The difference between Mesa and Xjet is that they awarded MESA flying to Envoy in the summer. We only covered some flights for Xjet, no as much as we are covering for Mesa.

Mesa is growing too fast for the amount of pilots out there. Look at RAH imploding now after several RFP awards, they where growing slowly compared to Mesa.

It's just a matter of time. Once the fast upgrade illusion is gone at Mesa, it will happen the same its happening to RAH. PSA is in another though spot with a huge training bubble, can't keep up with the growing.

They did not award you Mesa flying, Mesa REQUESTED a change to our schedule so our airplanes could have a more realistic schedule with more touch time with maintenance, and to allow us to have additional spares in DFW. This required a temporary reduction in our flying. We already have two of our seven brand new CRJ900's in Dallas flying. Another couple of months we will have even more flying than before in Dallas, with additional spare airplanes.
In the US Airways system, we had in-range with Acars, only thing we never had was ATIS and PDC over ACARS. Puzzles me why during this merger, they dumped the way Airways did things, and went with a more antiquated system that American uses? Well, I guess the larger pilot group always wins out...


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