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FirstClass 09-30-2015 09:17 AM
Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 1982588)
There is a big difference between the two groups votes.
Actually there is not. There is no difference in the two pilot groups votes. Both pilot groups caved. Both pilot groups had no choice (so they say). Both groups are weak. Actually if you look at it closely, Envoy caved 4 times.

Oh, and by the way, ALPA sucks.

billyho 09-30-2015 09:33 AM
Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1982629)
Oh, and by the way, ALPA sucks.
I won't go as far in saying they suck. But it's however obvious more of there time and resources AIN'T spent worrying about the Regionals. However if you don't pay your dues much time and resources will be spent.:D

buddies8 09-30-2015 09:36 AM
No, they are correct, alpa does su ck.

DOGIII 09-30-2015 09:42 AM
Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1982648)
No, they are correct, alpa does su ck.

Behold... Agreement across PSA, PDT, ENY.

In unity,
Dog

Waitingformins 09-30-2015 09:49 AM
Originally Posted by RyanP (Post 1982608)
This whole argument is stupid. All the regionals undercut the majors if it comes down to it.

The point is things were finally in a place to turn around for regionals, record profits, our leverage trending upwards.. And PSA completely screwed that momentum.

This doesn't make any sense, the only leverage is a lack of supply of new FO's. That doesn't change rather you're in a contract or in negotiations.

What is frustrating you is the regional unions competing in an environment where Express has smaller fleets. Didn't the first Eagle contract fail because there wasn't a large enough of a fleet guarantee.

1stCivDivPilot 09-30-2015 09:49 AM
Originally Posted by DOGIII (Post 1982655)
Behold... Agreement across PSA, PDT, ENY.

In unity,
Dog
Cats and dogs living together......total anarchy!!!!!

chrisreedrules 09-30-2015 09:55 AM
Originally Posted by DOGIII (Post 1982655)
Behold... Agreement across PSA, PDT, ENY.

In unity,
Dog
There you have it folks, dreams do come true.

Skyvector 09-30-2015 10:05 AM
Great. Now lets get this thread back on track. There is only ever a very small window in any Envoy thread before eaglefly hijacks it anyway.

Cujo665 09-30-2015 10:18 AM
Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot (Post 1982624)
So you really think a major carrier would let any regional dictate to them? Please. Why do you think there's multiple wholly owned regionals? The game will continue, just in house. Contract labor is easily replaced.
Wrong. They can't even staff what they have now. There is no replacement.

Ex lurker 09-30-2015 11:37 AM
Originally Posted by FirstClass (Post 1982629)
Actually there is not. There is no difference in the two pilot groups votes. Both pilot groups caved. Both pilot groups had no choice (so they say). Both groups are weak. Actually if you look at it closely, Envoy caved 4 times.

Oh, and by the way, ALPA sucks.
That's the second time you've thrown that number out there. Care to explain it this time?


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