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Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1981738)

What did you guys have to give up??

Dumb question since the details haven't been released. It doesn't matter anyway, you'll find a reason to hate it/PSA.

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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot (Post 1981747)

Dumb question since the details haven't been released. It doesn't matter anyway, you'll find a reason to hate it/PSA.

I thought it was a good question. You guys like taking it in the ringer for shiny things no?

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Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1981647)

Talked about, yes.... but there are the numbers to show it's happening like they said it would.

Don't look now, but some of your own pilots disagree with you on this.

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Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1981647)

Fastest way to AA will be through PDT & ENY followed by PSA. For a new guy getting into the industry, this keeps AA an option while applying everywhere else too.

The fastest way to AA may NOT be through PDT & ENY for pilots moving to either of those carriers as new-hires this year or next. THEIR projections are many years away and there are far too many variables that could impact that to make such a claim. What is more accurate to say is that next year the fastest way to AA for senior PDT & ENY pilots is indeed through the flow. Perhaps 400 of them are PROJECTED to flow then. I think your claim above is misleading.

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Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 1981647)

For those employed elsewhere, they may as well take AA off their list unless they meet the friends, family or squadron buddy plan. That's 1/3 of the legacy jobs GONE from consideration because they chose to go to XYZ non-owned regional instead.

This is flat out untrue. The hiring stats while AA was hiring OTS indicate that the old "friends & family" plan active under a former chief pilot was NOT in play. It was mix of pilots from different backgrounds and all were well represented including military, civilian, regional, intern and even civilian regional F/O's who didn't know anyone at AA and had no leg up.

I don't think billyho hates PSA... I think he's probably indifferent and his question was a valid one.

From what we have heard from our NC is that we didn't give any concessions for this increase...

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Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1981738)

What did you guys have to give up??

I work for envoy. What we have been through is widely known.

What PSA had to give up for their potential flow is not yet known, as the details of their TA have not yet been published. There is a lot of speculation, but that is all it is at this time.

I feel like they really got pilots to do this ad; the acting is terrible lol.

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Originally Posted by FourPutt (Post 1981746)

Nothing, the NC did a good job despite what everyone else predicted.

Ah so you've seen the language?

Yea I'm personally not holding my breath. The company is likely going to ask for something. I believe concessions can come in more than the monetary form.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1981786)

Don't look now, but some of your own pilots disagree with you on this.

There's a few in every crowd; look in the mirror for an example.

Sorry Eaglefly, as much as it must pain you to hear it; their plan is working and doing exactly what they said it would; better than promised in fact.

Spin it any way you want; the numbers don't lie.

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 1981841)

Yea I'm personally not holding my breath. The company is likely going to ask for something. I believe concessions can come in more than the monetary form.

They usually aren't