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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
(Post 1982541)
So Eagle never undercut Comair? Didn't Envoy just vote in a contract? Was it a mainline level contract? Justify it however you want. Everyone does what's best for them and their company when it comes down to the vote.
We flew solely for AA and had nothing to do with Comair and Delta.. That was Mesa, RAH, and Gojet doing all that undercutting. How many of PSA's aircraft were transferred away and scheduled to be parked right before their YES vote in 2013? Our fleet was decimated after our NO votes and because of PSA's YES vote. If we continued to vote NO we would be furloughing right now due to PSA caving. There is a big difference between the two groups votes. |
Originally Posted by RyanP
(Post 1982588)
What are you talking about? American Eagle had been under a 16 year contract which was one of the best in the industry until AA filed bankruptcy and that went away.
We flew solely for AA and had nothing to do with Comair and Delta.. That was Mesa, RAH, and Gojet doing all that. How many of PSA's aircraft were transferred away and scheduled to be parked right before their YES vote in 2013? Our fleet was decimated after our NO votes and because of PSA's YES vote. If we continued to vote NO we would be furloughing right now due to PSA caving. There is a big difference between the two groups votes. |
Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
(Post 1982591)
And had PSA voted no, they would be gone. So it's okay for you to vote to save your job but no one else? Got it.
If everyone stood their ground managements whipsaw game would have been dead in its tracks. We'd all be better off. |
Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
(Post 1982586)
Strong rebuttal. You convinced me.
Delta ended that game. Not so long ago Eagle signed a 16 year deal for growth. They grew also and American pulled the plug on them also. Shrinking them and a good spanking. To sit here and blame other regionals for screwing up the industry is sad and funny at the same time. Kinda like getting a blow job from a clown. You blame PSA But you got ex comair people working there. Lol and people lined up for quick upgrades. It is what it is!!! Upgrade get your pic time and move on. Don't waste to much energy saying your regional is better then mine. Cause tomorrow chances are it might not be. |
Originally Posted by RyanP
(Post 1982598)
Oh really? Did they "actually" start transferring PSA's planes to somebody else or park them before the vote? Oh yeah.. It was Just another management threat tactic to get the weak group to cave.
If everyone stood their ground managements whipsaw game would have been dead in its tracks. We'd all be better off. |
This whole argument is stupid. All the regionals undercut the majors if it comes down to it.
The point is things were finally in a place to turn around for regionals, record profits, our leverage trending upwards.. And PSA completely screwed that momentum. |
Originally Posted by billyho
(Post 1982600)
This Tell me you haven't been in the industry long. Comair grew on the backs of cheap labor. You had to pay for your training to fly there. Their rates sucked and so did there contract. They grew and grew and then grew balls and striked. Got the best deal. Then what???? What they did happened to them. Others grew on cheaper labor. Wash and repeat.
Delta ended that game. Not so long ago Eagle signed a 16 year deal for growth. They grew also and American pulled the plug on them also. Shrinking them and a good spanking. To sit here and blame other regionals for screwing up the industry is sad and funny at the same time. Kinda like getting a blow job from a clown. You blame PSA But you got ex comair people working there. Lol and people lined up for quick upgrades. It is what it is!!! Upgrade get your pic time and move on. Don't waste to much energy saying your regional is better then mine. Cause tomorrow chances are it might not be. |
Originally Posted by RyanP
(Post 1982608)
.. And PSA completely screwed that momentum.
Where was ALPA??? You want to point fingers I'd place much of it on ALPA National. ALPA allows these games to played out because there number one concern is their big whales. |
Originally Posted by RyanP
(Post 1982608)
This whole argument is stupid. All the regionals undercut the majors if it comes down to it.
The point is things were finally in a place to turn around for regionals, record profits, our leverage trending upwards.. And PSA completely screwed that momentum. |
Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
(Post 1982622)
I apologize if my ranting made it seem like I was leaning on PSA being an amazing place. It sucks like all the others. I am in complete agreement with you. No company at this level is any better than another. I was just trying to point out the hypocrisy when people come on here vilifying PSA (or any carrier) for not voting in a way that would benefit them and their employer. We are all contract labor to be throw aside for the next cheapest supplier.
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