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ORDinary 08-04-2016 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2174049)
The Company can put a permanent base there anytime they want. The pilots are done making concessions for AAG's bad decisions.

+1000000000

We tried to be part of the staffing solution by voting no to consecutive unnecessary pay cuts. But management broke us down via threats and intimidation.

A good contract and good domiciles are what bring in new hires, and those are what we pilots have fought for, and what management has fought against. It is disingenuous for a management member to post on here that pilots are the problem, while referring to a proposed band-aid over one of management's self-inflicted wounds.

MD-11Loader 08-05-2016 05:58 AM

What hotels are being used for training in DFW & STL? Just trying to figure out the lay of the land and see how far my gym is from everything.

SkyWago 08-05-2016 06:42 AM

Hotel in DFW should be the Holiday Inn on the corner of 121 and 183. (Don't think they use the Atrium for training) not sure about stl.

Bassman1985 08-05-2016 06:44 AM

STL is the Drury Inn by the airport.

MD-11Loader 08-05-2016 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by SkyWago (Post 2174608)
Hotel in DFW should be the Holiday Inn on the corner of 121 and 183. (Don't think they use the Atrium for training) not sure about stl.


Originally Posted by Bassman1985 (Post 2174611)
STL is the Drury Inn by the airport.

Thanks guys. I appreciate it.

N927EV 08-05-2016 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2174620)
Thanks guys. I appreciate it.

Not much around the Drury, unfortunately. But on the plus side, you can take the hotel bus back to the airport and go to downtown STL and stuff to kill time on off days. Also they have dinner there every night and 2 free drinks.

FlameNSky 08-05-2016 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by Jack Russell (Post 2174516)
If he truly is a member of management, then that would seem to indicate they are aware of the issues and even with that, simply couldn't care less. In other words, nothing has changed and likely nothing will because it's still the pilots fault.

He is just an asst CP. Not a high level manager like some believe. Unfortunately, I do believe that such an attitude does exist among the higher level management. It really is too bad. I don't think that envoy is any worse than all the other regionals but it used to be a great place. So much better than it is now. Pilots like me came to Eagle, despite the high upgrade times, because of that.

Jack Russell is right though. A key distinguishing characteristic of a great management team to a horrible one, is whether they take personal responsibility for their company's state or push the blame on someone else. It would seem to me that is the only thing some of our managers are good at, passing the blame (and responsibility) to someone else.

highflyer1980 08-05-2016 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2174646)
He is just an asst CP. Not a high level manager like some believe. Unfortunately, I do believe that such an attitude does exist among the higher level management. It really is too bad. I don't think that envoy is any worse than all the other regionals but it used to be a great place. So much better than it is now. Pilots like me came to Eagle, despite the high upgrade times, because of that.



Jack Russell is right though. A key distinguishing characteristic of a great management team to a horrible one, is whether they take personal responsibility for their company's state or push the blame on someone else. It would seem to me that is the only thing some of our managers are good at, passing the blame (and responsibility) to someone else.



That's the first thing they learn in orientation.


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MD-11Loader 08-05-2016 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by N927EV (Post 2174626)
Not much around the Drury, unfortunately. But on the plus side, you can take the hotel bus back to the airport and go to downtown STL and stuff to kill time on off days. Also they have dinner there every night and 2 free drinks.

That's not too bad. It's about a 7 hour drive for me, so if I'm going to be down there for a few weeks, I will most likely drive. Not sure about DFW. A 17 hour drive sucks.


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