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If a new hire chooses Envoy over say OO, and the flow to AA somehow stopped in say 3-5 years from now for whatever reason, how worse off would the Envoy pilot be comparatively in terms of moving on toward a major or LCC? Aside from the lower pay compared to OO, wouldn't they be in pretty much the same position? Also, what if the majors do take the majority of flying back in-house in say 3-5 years. How would that affect today's new hire (who likely may not have the TPIC yet) that chose OO? ENY?

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2009254)

You answered your own question at the bottom. It doesn't matter what has occured in the past or present as those are VERY poor indicators of what might happen in the future. Last year or today (at least so far), you wern't hit by a truck crossing the street, but only a fool would think that insulates them from what might occur in the future. The good news for your nervous system is that not one single pilot is likely to disregard the consideration of coming to Envoy based on my highlighting your assumptions and inaccuracies. The bad news is that not one single pilot is likely to run with open arms TO Envoy as a result of your full-tilt boogie sales pitch.

The pilots that truly will make that difference simply aren't out there in the numbers Envoy needs long-term.

So I'll take this as, "No I can't think of a single instance in which the flow failed to work as advertised under Parker, so I'll just deflect your question with philosophical BS."

It's funny to think how inflated a perception of yourself you have. No one takes your biased rants seriously. Most know your a bitter man with a grudge.

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Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2009279)

By your own admission kid, in July 2015 the flow FAILED under Parker. It doesn't matter what was done to correct that later. But that was NOT my point, only your misguided ramblings to try and convince yourself and others your world of fantasy based on assumptions, projections and hypotheticals is unalterable.

It has NOTHING to do with me, that is simply also a byproduct of your obviously delusion-based existence. Again, claiming that it's certain the flow will not change or stop based on what happened yesterday, last month or a year ago is silly. I strongly doubt anyone here takes your desperate veiled pleading and begging, nor your overt selling here seriously either.

But by all means...............carry on ! If anything, it's entertaining. Demented and sad, but entertaining. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2009296)

By your own admission kid, in July 2015 the flow FAILED under Parker. It doesn't matter what was done to correct that later.

Actually it does matter. It shows that even envoys biggest hater eaglefly admits the flow is working as advertised and when a mistake was made, they corrected the mistake three fold the next chance they had. AAG has done everything they have promised so far.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 2009296)

The only failure in July was that they didn't counted PSA/PDT as new hires. They fixed it quickly...

If I was a new hire, I would definitely go to PDT or Envoy, get the flow in the back pocket and keep applying to other mayors, including AA.

I know several guys (civilian all of them and not previous interns at AA), that got hired off the street from envoy to AA.

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Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2009302)

LOL !

My condolences in living with your apparent reality. I hope your fantasy and reality merge someday. If not, I think your best bet is to convince yourself of a new fantasy that works for you. ;)

Come on Eaglefly, here is your chance, tell us how the flow has failed under Parker. All you have to say is, they could, they can, but what if... For someone that is so critical of promise and speculation, it seems like that is all you have. At least I can point to official policy and actual past practice.

Future pilots need your wisdom!

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Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2009367)

I think you're becoming a bit hysterical. Try to temper your emotion a bit and you'll feel better. The fact is it failed last Summer. It was a BIG deal on EL too. What remedy was subsequently made doesn't change that fact.

Supposedly AA plans 750 new-hires next year and from what I hear everyone be it recall or another carriers flow is supposedly a new-hire, so you'd think that means 375 Envoy flows. But already, the projection has been lowered to "200-300", so it looks as though they already are lowering your expectations. Just weeks ago, all I heard was the trumpets blowing about 30/month starting in January or 360 next year, but that looks doubtful. If say 250 go next year, at that rate it will take till close to the end of 2017 just to get through the 824.

Will 30 go in January ?

I have my doubts. Although I'll take no pleasure in seeing hopeful Envoy pilots delayed in going to AA by a slower flow then hoped for, if it twists you into a pretzel as I'm sure it will, it will at least provide some mirth to an otherwise unfortunate situation. If something truly unforseen occurs stopping the flow like too many deferees, I expect you to collapse into a complete and total crack-up.

I think fantasy just may be your best friend in the future........use it well, my son. :D