Envoy Lies
12-17-2015, 10:56 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by boiler07
"Unless you see 700 upgrades" - You said it yourself.
They may or may not put out the vacancies.
However, 700 upgrades over 18 months equals just over 38/month. The training center is quite capable of those numbers as they had well in excess of that every month in 2011.
It's far from "black and white" as you put it.
They may or may not put out the vacancies.
However, 700 upgrades over 18 months equals just over 38/month. The training center is quite capable of those numbers as they had well in excess of that every month in 2011.
It's far from "black and white" as you put it.
12-17-2015, 10:56 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
The jackals have all arrived as expected, are ravenously circling their prey and one has just shown his fangs to lead the kill. 
12-17-2015, 10:59 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by moon
Not to take away from your epic rant, but you decided to be on reserve in December, there were more than a handful junior to a May of 2013 hire, that held a line in all bases and equipment.
12-17-2015, 10:59 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by cali2797
Here is Rick's latest:
"With very reasonable assumptions, a new hire today is currently projected to upgrade to Captain in two and a half years – and flow to American approximately six years from hire."
I think your reading comprehension needs to be examined.
A...new...hire...TODAY...is...currently...projecte d...
Not someone hired 3 years ago.
"With very reasonable assumptions, a new hire today is currently projected to upgrade to Captain in two and a half years – and flow to American approximately six years from hire."
I think your reading comprehension needs to be examined.
A...new...hire...TODAY...is...currently...projecte d...
Not someone hired 3 years ago.
70% of present F/O's upgrading in 2017 through the first half of 2018 ?
But you're right. The concern isn't keeping present Envoy pilots as most have indicated they plan to ride this puppy to wherever it takes them, but new pilots and so the sales pitch continues.
The fine print however, seems to tell a different story if one truly reads it.
12-17-2015, 11:02 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
"Very reasonable assumptions" ?
70% of present F/O's upgrading in 2017 through the first half of 2018 ?
But you're right. The concern isn't keeping present Envoy pilots as most have indicated they plan to ride this puppy to wherever it takes them, but new pilots and so the sales pitch continues.
The fine print however, seems to tell a different story if one truly reads it.
70% of present F/O's upgrading in 2017 through the first half of 2018 ?
But you're right. The concern isn't keeping present Envoy pilots as most have indicated they plan to ride this puppy to wherever it takes them, but new pilots and so the sales pitch continues.
The fine print however, seems to tell a different story if one truly reads it.
12-17-2015, 11:03 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by boiler07
For someone who always acts above board and only discusses facts, you haven't referenced very many of them so far.
The only things I have stated are that the suggestions don't hold water, many at Envoy are unhappy and untrustworthy of their management and so far, both hold water.
Of course, the jackals will never concede that which ruffles their fur.
12-17-2015, 11:07 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by ag386
One. December is a month where you just don't know what you will get due to people trying to get Christmas off.
Two. I bid reserve lines with Christmas off first to be home with my kid.
Two. I bid reserve lines with Christmas off first to be home with my kid.
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12-17-2015, 11:07 AM
#48
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
One could say the exact thing about the EST (Envoy Sales Team) as well. All I see are proj........er "suggestions" as your regional sales manager has clarified in a past post.
Thenonly things I have stated are that the suggestions don't hold water, many at Envoy are unhappy and untrustworthy of their management and so far, both hold water.
Of course, the jackals will never concede that which ruffles their fur.
Thenonly things I have stated are that the suggestions don't hold water, many at Envoy are unhappy and untrustworthy of their management and so far, both hold water.
Of course, the jackals will never concede that which ruffles their fur.
You accuse others of only choosing the facts that support their agenda, and I hope you realize you're doing the same.
Whether the employees believe management to be untrustworthy or not, doesn't effect the fact that what they are saying about the upgrade is POSSIBLE.
12-17-2015, 11:08 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Are you sure about all that? Because there is only ONE pilot on the seniority list currently who is a May 2013 hire...and he works on Christmas.
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12-17-2015, 11:09 AM
#50
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Originally Posted by boiler07
The training center is capable of it so what's your point?
All I hear on that is silence, exept for 205 upgrades next year. Is it me, or have the jackals called in reinforcements from the woods ?
Sure seems like it.
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