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Old 12-17-2015 | 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
The training center is capable of it so what's your point?
An unsubstantiated claim. Besides, even if it was, they'd have to run twice that many through to include new-hires (that almost certainly are not likely to exist every month in the future). That's perhaps 1500 long-term training events over that 18 months and the bubble alone would likely cripple Envoy to mimic where RAH is now. If what is you say is true, then management should have no trouble confirming their intentions to match your claim of their capabilites.

All I hear on that is silence, exept for 205 upgrades next year. Is it me, or have the jackals called in reinforcements from the woods ?

Sure seems like it.
Old 12-17-2015 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
Yet you overlooked, or were content, with OP misrepresenting the 2.5 year upgrade as being applicable to those hired in 2014 or earlier.

You accuse others of only choosing the facts that support their agenda, and I hope you realize you're doing the same.

Whether the employees believe management to be untrustworthy or not, doesn't effect the fact that what they are saying about the upgrade IS possible.
Overlooked as that was never part of my assertions. I'm not required to validate every other members posts, but I do realize it makes an attractive diversion when you've run out of rocks.
Old 12-17-2015 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
An unsubstantiated claim. Besides, even if it was, they'd have to run twice that many through to include new-hires (that almost certainly are not likely to exist every month in the future). That's perhaps 1500 long-term training events over that 18 months and the bubble alone would likely cripple Envoy to mimic where RAH is now. If what is you say is true, then management should have no trouble confirming their intentions to match your claim of their capabilites.

All I hear on that is silence, exept for 205 upgrades next year. Is it me, or have the jackals called in reinforcements from the woods ?

Sure seems like it.
So we're clear, how exactly would management "confirm their intentions"?
Old 12-17-2015 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
Uh oh, it's those pesky facts again. Guess he should have checked the seniority list before making stuff up.
Yep...and I've flown with the May 2013 person in question. He is a Mormon guy out of Utah and his personality in real life doesn't match with this unhinged one we see here.

This ag386 character most likely does NOT work at Envoy and created his profile with the specific intention to carpet bomb. My guess it's one of the usual anti-Envoy posters with an alter ego. Maybe a certain current Spirit pilot. Or one of the PSA funny guys.

Next time he should leave out specific-false-details if he wants to pretend to be somebody else.

Oops!!
Old 12-17-2015 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
Yet you overlooked, or were content, with OP misrepresenting the 2.5 year upgrade as being applicable to those hired in 2014 or earlier.

You accuse others of only choosing the facts that support their agenda, and I hope you realize you're doing the same.
Shhh, don't get in their way of misrepresenting or cherry picking "Facts". Heaven knows that real facts are limited and have been discussed ad nasueam here, yet some people find new ways to restate them without pertinent information as hyperbole. Oh, No! IF you were hired in 2005 you'll never see 2.5 and 6! 2.5 and 6 is a lie! Don't look behind the curtain! Nevermind that it's based on a person getting hired today!

Nothing more than trolls.
Old 12-17-2015 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
Are you sure about all that? Because there is only ONE pilot on the seniority list currently who is a May 2013 hire...and he works on Christmas.

Want to try again?
Haha very true, and said pilot has had 8 pm starts day 1 all December, with a 1 pm finish on one of their last days and not used rap 1 on their next last day, I mean life is rough. I'm on reserve as 2013 hire too and its by choice, granted I live in base. But it is night and day difference between now and a year - 2 years ago when we were understaffed and being used every day and getting the triple turn backs because there were no reserves left for the next 2 days.
Old 12-17-2015 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Overlooked as that was never part of my assertions. I'm not required to validate every other members posts, but I do realize it makes an attractive diversion when you've run out of rocks.
Actually, you commonly represented yourself as a mediator of sorts by only looking at the facts.

You would often point out half truths and misrepresentation by some notorious envoy pilots who were in fact stretching the truth.

The fact is that you were more than happy to point those out, but every time someone posted something negative about envoy, you would conveniently not apply the same standard to them. This OP is just another example.
Old 12-17-2015 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
Damn it, AMF! I told you to post that after dinner. You were too quick. Now everyone is going to know the super secret conspiracy that eaglefly was so smart to have already figured out, the clandestine branch of the Secret Service charged with ensuring the belief in aliens and envoy's flow. We are doing really well on the aliens thing but we are really dropping the ball on envoy. Darn, eaglefly and his super intelligence.
Sorry! I'll go have a snickers, hunger lowers my tolerance to BS. I'm going to get into trouble with our Alien Overlords (All Hail Zoltan!).
Old 12-17-2015 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
So we're clear, how exactly would management "confirm their intentions"?
An acknowledgement that to meet a 2.5 year upgrade claim for present new-hires as projected, all present F/O's are planned to be in captains school by June 1, 2018 and acknowledgement based on the approximate 205 upgrades planned for 2016, that the remaining F/O's (whatever number of present F/O's minus 205) will be upgraded based on an realistic schedule that they can confidently stand behind that they can achieve not only for the upgrades, but for an equal number of new-hires to support a claim of no contraction.

If they cannot make a coherent argument for that with specifics, it falls into the "heard that before" catagory of unrealized promises, which BTW is a Loooooooog file.

Good luck with that.
Old 12-17-2015 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
Actually, you commonly represented yourself as a mediator of sorts by only looking at the facts.

You would often point out half truths and misrepresentation by some notorious envoy pilots who were in fact stretching the truth.

The fact is that you were more than happy to point those out, but every time someone posted something negative about envoy, you would conveniently not apply the same standard to them. This OP is just another example.
In other words, you want me to act like you think I should and say what you think I should say ?

Sorry...........wrong guy.
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