Retention Bonuses at Envoy
03-01-2016, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Odd how RAH files for bankruptcy last week, which is flying around 106 E170/175's for AA.
Now today we get retention bonus and higher new hire bonus for 121 pilots. Very recently they weren't willing to give us anything, kept saying flow was enough.
Seems maybe they could be unsure of keeping all those aircraft with RAH in bankruptcy, and anticipate moving some back here. (Why else would they finally give in)? Just a thought..
Now today we get retention bonus and higher new hire bonus for 121 pilots. Very recently they weren't willing to give us anything, kept saying flow was enough.
Seems maybe they could be unsure of keeping all those aircraft with RAH in bankruptcy, and anticipate moving some back here. (Why else would they finally give in)? Just a thought..
03-01-2016, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
Odd how RAH files for bankruptcy last week, which is flying around 106 E170/175's for AA.
Now today we get retention bonus and higher new hire bonus for 121 pilots. Very recently they weren't willing to give us anything, kept saying flow was enough.
Seems maybe they could be unsure of keeping all those aircraft with RAH in bankruptcy, and anticipate moving some back here. (Why else would they finally give in)? Just a thought..
Now today we get retention bonus and higher new hire bonus for 121 pilots. Very recently they weren't willing to give us anything, kept saying flow was enough.
Seems maybe they could be unsure of keeping all those aircraft with RAH in bankruptcy, and anticipate moving some back here. (Why else would they finally give in)? Just a thought..
03-01-2016, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SEPfield
So a retention bonus for FOs, and nothing for the captains that scraped by on crap wages for 10+ years waiting to upgrade.
Classy move AA
And I thought PSAs union made some crap deals.
Classy move AA
And I thought PSAs union made some crap deals.
03-01-2016, 02:30 PM
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Retention Bonuses at Envoy
Originally Posted by mr25cents
9E you have to take AND pass interview with Delta, no such thing with AA WOs, just show up to class. Right now, flow is 16 years, but is not linear. So this time next year it might be a 12 year flow.
Why would you put all your eggs into one basket if your at a AA WO? It's a solid backup, but if you wait 16 or 12 years to flow, you've already missed the wave.
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03-01-2016, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SEPfield
So a retention bonus for FOs, and nothing for the captains that scraped by on crap wages for 10+ years waiting to upgrade.
Classy move AA
And I thought PSAs union made some crap deals.
Classy move AA
And I thought PSAs union made some crap deals.
BUT, I am happy the FO's will finally get something, because living on that FO pay for so long was a nightmare. This isn't as nice as Endeavors for sure, but we have a much better flow as well so it's a bit of a trade off. I suppose it's better than just another kick in the nuts that most of us were expecting. Probably just what they wanted, beat us down for so long, and anything extra sounds good. (lowered expectations).
Maybe we hold onto some FO's and get some more new hires now. Not really enough to hold onto anyone over a LCC or better, but may prevent laterals. It''s some extra cash in hand for those stuck here. Remember those upgrading soon get that other $7500 as well when their number comes up. I know it's not going to be all combined with the full retention $$, but it's something.
I really think this has something to do with the RAH AA flying. They aren't doing this for no reason all of a sudden.
03-01-2016, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
As a CA here. I agree. We definitely should get some retention $$$ too.
BUT, I am happy the FO's will finally get something, because living on that FO pay for so long was a nightmare. This isn't as nice as Endeavors for sure, but we have a much better flow as well so it's a bit of a trade off. I suppose it's better than just another kick in the nuts that most of us were expecting.
Maybe we hold onto some FO's and get some more new hires now. Not really enough to hold onto anyone but it's some extra cash in hand for those stuck here. Remember those upgrading soon get that other $7500 as well when their number comes up. I know it's not going to be all combined with the full retention $$, but it's something.
BUT, I am happy the FO's will finally get something, because living on that FO pay for so long was a nightmare. This isn't as nice as Endeavors for sure, but we have a much better flow as well so it's a bit of a trade off. I suppose it's better than just another kick in the nuts that most of us were expecting.
Maybe we hold onto some FO's and get some more new hires now. Not really enough to hold onto anyone but it's some extra cash in hand for those stuck here. Remember those upgrading soon get that other $7500 as well when their number comes up. I know it's not going to be all combined with the full retention $$, but it's something.
03-01-2016, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nh2ri15
Why would you put all your eggs into one basket if your at a AA WO? It's a solid backup, but if you wait 16 or 12 years to flow, you've already missed the wave.
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03-01-2016, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
As a CA here. I agree. We definitely should get some retention $$$ too.
BUT, I am happy the FO's will finally get something, because living on that FO pay for so long was a nightmare. This isn't as nice as Endeavors for sure, but we have a much better flow as well so it's a bit of a trade off. I suppose it's better than just another kick in the nuts that most of us were expecting. Probably just what they wanted, beat us down for so long, and anything extra sounds good. (lowered expectations).
Maybe we hold onto some FO's and get some more new hires now. Not really enough to hold onto anyone over a LCC or better, but may prevent laterals. It''s some extra cash in hand for those stuck here. Remember those upgrading soon get that other $7500 as well when their number comes up. I know it's not going to be all combined with the full retention $$, but it's something.
BUT, I am happy the FO's will finally get something, because living on that FO pay for so long was a nightmare. This isn't as nice as Endeavors for sure, but we have a much better flow as well so it's a bit of a trade off. I suppose it's better than just another kick in the nuts that most of us were expecting. Probably just what they wanted, beat us down for so long, and anything extra sounds good. (lowered expectations).
Maybe we hold onto some FO's and get some more new hires now. Not really enough to hold onto anyone over a LCC or better, but may prevent laterals. It''s some extra cash in hand for those stuck here. Remember those upgrading soon get that other $7500 as well when their number comes up. I know it's not going to be all combined with the full retention $$, but it's something.
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