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Old 03-16-2016 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
If we got MIA back, which I doubt, it would likely go senior anyway because we have many pilots that still live there and commute to DFW now, since their MIA base closed.
Good deal. Now I just wish they would bump up first year pay a little bit.
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Old 03-16-2016 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
It's official:

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COOL! Engines underneath the wing! Just like an Airbus. You can tell your E145 coworkers that you are at Envoy mainline, while they are just "express".
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Old 03-16-2016 | 02:28 PM
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Most of us could care less. However I think if you held out on the FO bonuses, something better would of had to come. I could be wrong though as the end result of PSA and PDT turning down the FO bonuses has yet to be seen. At least our unions are talking again.
I think if PSA would have held out with us in the past on the money grab TA's, we would have all gotten something better then too.

Right now if PSA does get something better with a retention bonus, Envoy has a "me too" clause that went along with our deal. So we would get it also.
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Old 03-16-2016 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanP
I think if PSA would have held out with us in the past on the money grab TA's, we would have all gotten something better then too.

Right now if PSA does get something better with a retention bonus, Envoy has a "me too" clause that went along with our deal. So we would get it also.
I used to think that AAG would have shut down PSA. I'm actually not so sure anymore. Was PSA a small airline back then? Yes. COULD they have shut PSA down if they really wanted to? Also yes. And they could have done it much easier than they could have to Envoy. However, all that being said, I don't think they would of. I think their plan has always been 2 or 3 regional partners. One flying the CRJ and the other flying the ERJ175. PSA still would of made the most sense even had they voted down the concessions. Our leadership screwed us with that. And they screwed us with our flow agreement. We aren't hiring and so our flow can't reach more than 5 /month if we aren't hiring and upgrading. Meanwhile, Piedmont, an airline half our size is going to step up to flowing 5 /month in a few months. They were played like a fiddle by management and didn't have the best interests of the pilot group in mind. Hopefully our new leadership and essentially what has become an entirely different pilot group rectify some of this.
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Old 03-16-2016 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I used to think that AAG would have shut down PSA. I'm actually not so sure anymore. Was PSA a small airline back then? Yes. COULD they have shut PSA down if they really wanted to? Also yes. And they could have done it much easier than they could have to Envoy. However, all that being said, I don't think they would of. I think their plan has always been 2 or 3 regional partners. One flying the CRJ and the other flying the ERJ175. PSA still would of made the most sense even had they voted down the concessions. Our leadership screwed us with that. And they screwed us with our flow agreement. We aren't hiring and so our flow can't reach more than 5 /month if we aren't hiring and upgrading. Meanwhile, Piedmont, an airline half our size is going to step up to flowing 5 /month in a few months. They were played like a fiddle by management and didn't have the best interests of the pilot group in mind. Hopefully our new leadership and essentially what has become an entirely different pilot group rectify some of this.
They "screwed" you, because pilot
voted yes. But you know, it's never the pilot faults. 😂
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Old 03-16-2016 | 04:16 PM
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They "screwed" you, because pilot
voted yes. But you know, it's never the pilot faults. 😂
I wasn't eligible to vote for either. And leadership can mislead their pilots.
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Old 03-16-2016 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
I wasn't eligible to vote for either. And leadership can mislead their pilots.
Not going to beat you up only give some advice. Don't trust a union to tell you how to vote. Don't blindly cast a vote based off of bullet points, roadshows, Q and A pamphlets, CA's opinions etc. Do your own homework, find out what you want, do your own due diligence and vote educated and full of confidence. Make your mind up not to be "misled" by anyone. If need be fight for education and truth if your union is pushing something on you someday. A union can only mislead if the the rank and file allow themselves to be uneducated about facts and choose to remain silent about it.
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