How Envoy's 5.5 Year Flowthrough Works
03-17-2016 | 03:00 PM
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Are you asking for hard numbers? If so I don't have them. Do you? I do know that if you make a career attractive enough, they will come. To me, a career with the potential for lifetime earnings approaching 10 million dollars is pretty attractive.
03-17-2016 | 03:17 PM
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To put it another way- if you were American, where would you source your pilots from assuming you want to keep your regional feed working?
03-17-2016 | 03:55 PM
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envoy pilots can still apply, job hunt, interview at any Legacy or Major Airline, along with all the other regional pilots who have no other choice. I talked with very few envoy pilots who are just waiting for the flow. Outside the 824, almost all of them are searching elsewhere. Even those in the 824 are going to Delta and United.
Come to envoy and there is a slight chance the flow may not work, go to RAH, Gojets, or SkyWest and I can 100% guarantee you won't flow.
03-17-2016 | 04:48 PM
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I ask because your screen name seems to imply you are likely working for a major. If so, you may be out of the loop on the lack of a supply pipeline. In order for a flow to continue to work, there has to be a replacement pilot to fill the seat of the pilot who just left. There isn't a whole lot of pilots available in that pipeline. To me, it's a question of how long American will allow the continued deterioration of there own feed.
To put it another way- if you were American, where would you source your pilots from assuming you want to keep your regional feed working?
To put it another way- if you were American, where would you source your pilots from assuming you want to keep your regional feed working?
03-17-2016 | 04:50 PM
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If you were American and you realized that they Regional Model was broken and decided to put your 175s at Mainline or replace them with A320's, were would you source pilots to fill those mainline positions? Either voluntarily or through arbitration, in an extreme pilot shortage situation, envoy pilots will still make out OK.
envoy pilots can still apply, job hunt, interview at any Legacy or Major Airline, along with all the other regional pilots who have no other choice. I talked with very few envoy pilots who are just waiting for the flow. Outside the 824, almost all of them are searching elsewhere. Even those in the 824 are going to Delta and United.
Come to envoy and there is a slight chance the flow may not work, go to RAH, Gojets, or SkyWest and I can 100% guarantee you won't flow.
envoy pilots can still apply, job hunt, interview at any Legacy or Major Airline, along with all the other regional pilots who have no other choice. I talked with very few envoy pilots who are just waiting for the flow. Outside the 824, almost all of them are searching elsewhere. Even those in the 824 are going to Delta and United.
Come to envoy and there is a slight chance the flow may not work, go to RAH, Gojets, or SkyWest and I can 100% guarantee you won't flow.
03-17-2016 | 04:56 PM
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If you were American and you realized that they Regional Model was broken and decided to put your 175s at Mainline or replace them with A320's, were would you source pilots to fill those mainline positions? Either voluntarily or through arbitration, in an extreme pilot shortage situation, envoy pilots will still make out OK.
envoy pilots can still apply, job hunt, interview at any Legacy or Major Airline, along with all the other regional pilots who have no other choice. I talked with very few envoy pilots who are just waiting for the flow. Outside the 824, almost all of them are searching elsewhere. Even those in the 824 are going to Delta and United.
Come to envoy and there is a slight chance the flow may not work, go to RAH, Gojets, or SkyWest and I can 100% guarantee you won't flow.
envoy pilots can still apply, job hunt, interview at any Legacy or Major Airline, along with all the other regional pilots who have no other choice. I talked with very few envoy pilots who are just waiting for the flow. Outside the 824, almost all of them are searching elsewhere. Even those in the 824 are going to Delta and United.
Come to envoy and there is a slight chance the flow may not work, go to RAH, Gojets, or SkyWest and I can 100% guarantee you won't flow.
I went to the WAI, even with the good feedback from the Delta and AA recruiters, I'm still waiting for any email.
The good thing is that I have the flow in the back pocket. I might or might not have to use it in a couple of years.
03-17-2016 | 04:56 PM
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I ask because your screen name seems to imply you are likely working for a major. If so, you may be out of the loop on the lack of a supply pipeline. In order for a flow to continue to work, there has to be a replacement pilot to fill the seat of the pilot who just left. There isn't a whole lot of pilots available in that pipeline. To me, it's a question of how long American will allow the continued deterioration of there own feed.
To put it another way- if you were American, where would you source your pilots from assuming you want to keep your regional feed working?
To put it another way- if you were American, where would you source your pilots from assuming you want to keep your regional feed working?
As for deterioration of feed, envoy is operating flights just fine. There are people who are paid much more then you and I making decisions to protect that.
03-17-2016 | 04:59 PM
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03-17-2016 | 05:06 PM
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From: Downward-Facing Dog Pose
Anyone flying 121 today will be at a major within the next decade. Won't matter where one is working right now.
Demographics and the rate of population growth world-wide alone guarantee it, to say noting of other relevant factors.
"Flow" is nothing more than a carrot to lure new hires in lieu of hard cash today. Oh sure, some have to flow. Otherwise the carrot won't work.
But you can be absolutely certain that more pilots will "flow" from the non-WOs regionals (while they last) than the majors will scavange from their own WO'ed regionals. In fact, you can absolutely bet the entire farm on it. Parker and Anderson are not about to create a staffing problems at their WO'ed regionals when they can do so among the non-WO'ed regionals.
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