Which is why he left. Time will tell who is right/wrong. But please, continue to argue over points unprovable. I need something to read when I'm bored.

 

I made the decision to leave after reviewing everything and coming to the conclusions I post here. If I am proven wrong or right, it doesn't matter. I live with the consequences of leaving and where I am now.

I do still stand by these predictions today. Take a look at what has happened since Skyvector posted the rosy picture in the November 2015 thread "New Envoy Information." Envoy cannot get new hires. New hires in sustained numbers of 35 per month or greater are necessary to keep the Ponzi scheme flow going.

AAG will not change until the last possible moment and the thing that will likely get candidates in the door are better pay and a better QOL. For now, Envoy offers neither in addition to only offering two bases now. Even the most ardent Envoy supporters here note that the company's treatment of the pilot group is abhorrent.

For those with their heads buried in the sand doing nothing except waiting for the flow to happen, it's not going to hurt to apply elsewhere or consider working for an LCC. Perhaps not Allegiant, but certainly Jetblue, Spirit or Virgin...if you can get in. Holding out just to work for American Airlines will likely only bring crushed expectations as the flow carrot moves a little further away each year.

 

Actions speak louder than words my friend

 

You are exactly correct. Your action, remaining at Envoy for the duration suggest you buy into the flow wholeheartedly and are awaiting your turn in line.

My action, leaving for another opportunity, suggests that I did not buy into the flow.

 

I think time will tell you made a good decision. That isn't to say that the flow isn't going to keep working. I just don't see how it is going to keep working in the numbers that management is projecting. No new hires will be at mainline in 5 to 6 years. 10-15 would be a more likely projection and by that point, so much will have changed that a flow shouldn't even matter to a new hire looking at regionals today. Flows are great if you are within 2 years of the projected flow times. Beyond that, you should still be trying to get out of a regional to anywhere better. This industry is too unstable to possibly say beyond reasonable doubt that you will flow if you have more than a couple years to wait.

 

I think it's safe to say that nothing has changed between today and 10 years ago. Airlines still sell the idea that you can be at mainline flying a 737 in 5 years is complete bull. They said it then and they are still saying it today. That's what really ****es me off about this business. It's primary recruiting is based on false hopes. Wake the F up AA!!!!

 

Sad, but true. You can't blame them though. It's still somewhat successful primarily because they continuously have a new audience who hasn't seen this show before and the MC's who do their best to convince the latest audience not to read the program footnotes compiled by critics who HAVE seen the show before. That works with many in the new audience too who essentially scream for the critics to mind their own business so they can see the show and judge for themselves with no interest in past performance reviews.

......and that folks, is how new audiences usually end up eating cake and then wonder why they end up puking in the isles.

Pilots.............they never learn.

 

still kinda disheartening to the incoming pilots like myself who want to make it to the majors but don't mind doing my time in the regionals, oh well I guess lol just gotta roll with it.

 

"Doing your time" is to be expected. Just don't believe everything you hear from those who have a motive to maximize your stay with them for their financial benefit instead of yours. Understand that this segment of the industry was built on the concept of unfulfilled promises.

 

That's definitely true. I only want to be with RJ's for the least amount of time possible. Really want UA, but I wouldn't mind DL or AA, imo lol