Envoy offering 300% OT
05-16-2016 | 10:57 AM
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I think it's safe to say that nothing has changed between today and 10 years ago. Airlines still sell the idea that you can be at mainline flying a 737 in 5 years is complete bull. They said it then and they are still saying it today. That's what really ****es me off about this business. It's primary recruiting is based on false hopes. Wake the F up AA!!!!
05-17-2016 | 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader;
Nothing is changing. Flight schools are packed with these suckers and a new one is born every day.
I had a friend that was an OTR trucker, was on the road 25 days out of the month. College roommate is a teacher, absolutely hates his job (new generation of parents & students). Another friend is a MD, tells me all the time he wished he did something else. He hates dealing with people & insurance companies.
No job is pefect, and every job includes some aspects they didn't tell you about in school. I find with the guys I fly with, the more life experience they have outside of aviation, the more they appreciate flying. The ones who were supported my Mommy and Daddy in college and regional flying is literally their first and only real job are the one's disgruntled and dissatisfied. But that kind of unrealistic expectation and entitlement starts long before flight school.
Do you really think that Truck Drivers can make $94,000 a year AND be home every weekend? I mean it's written on the back of the truck so it MUST be true!
05-17-2016 | 12:49 PM
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1-800-TRUCKMASTERS
I had a friend that was an OTR trucker, was on the road 25 days out of the month. College roommate is a teacher, absolutely hates his job (new generation of parents & students). Another friend is a MD, tells me all the time he wished he did something else. He hates dealing with people & insurance companies.
No job is pefect, and every job includes some aspects they didn't tell you about in school. I find with the guys I fly with, the more life experience they have outside of aviation, the more they appreciate flying. The ones who were supported my Mommy and Daddy in college and regional flying is literally their first and only real job are the one's disgruntled and dissatisfied. But that kind of unrealistic expectation and entitlement starts long before flight school.
Do you really think that Truck Drivers can make $94,000 a year AND be home every weekend? I mean it's written on the back of the truck so it MUST be true!
I had a friend that was an OTR trucker, was on the road 25 days out of the month. College roommate is a teacher, absolutely hates his job (new generation of parents & students). Another friend is a MD, tells me all the time he wished he did something else. He hates dealing with people & insurance companies.
No job is pefect, and every job includes some aspects they didn't tell you about in school. I find with the guys I fly with, the more life experience they have outside of aviation, the more they appreciate flying. The ones who were supported my Mommy and Daddy in college and regional flying is literally their first and only real job are the one's disgruntled and dissatisfied. But that kind of unrealistic expectation and entitlement starts long before flight school.
Do you really think that Truck Drivers can make $94,000 a year AND be home every weekend? I mean it's written on the back of the truck so it MUST be true!
05-17-2016 | 01:40 PM
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05-17-2016 | 03:51 PM
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In late May 2015 Captain Ric Wilson told the Envoy pilots that all prospective new hires are “projected to make Captain at Envoy within 2.5 years and projected to flow through to American within 6 years of date of hire.”
Shortly thereafter, our good friend Charlie Bucket was hired. How is he doing?
The 2.5/6-year projection shared by management and recruitment was a large contributing factor to his decision to come to Envoy. Charlie is a fantastic pilot that has been a model employee in his year of service to Envoy. Mr. Bucket is still on reserve, and might hold a line by the end of the year, approximately 18 months after being hired. Charlie has approximately 530 pilots ahead of him before he can upgrade, excluding any who bypass or resign. If we continue to upgrade at our current rate, and with reasonably expected attrition, Charlie Bucket will upgrade in November 2018 – approximately 3.5 years after date of hire.
Why would anyone come here. Charlie bucket will spend 2.1 yrs at best on reserve. Get a 1.4 yrs of line holder. Then another 3 years on reserve. So coming here you will do 5.1 yrs of reserve, then maybe flow at year 7 at best. We have horrible reserve rules. Whatever FAR says, that is what are reserve rules are. Our schedules are crappy, it's almost better to be on reserveand, as I said reserve sucks here.
Shortly thereafter, our good friend Charlie Bucket was hired. How is he doing?
The 2.5/6-year projection shared by management and recruitment was a large contributing factor to his decision to come to Envoy. Charlie is a fantastic pilot that has been a model employee in his year of service to Envoy. Mr. Bucket is still on reserve, and might hold a line by the end of the year, approximately 18 months after being hired. Charlie has approximately 530 pilots ahead of him before he can upgrade, excluding any who bypass or resign. If we continue to upgrade at our current rate, and with reasonably expected attrition, Charlie Bucket will upgrade in November 2018 – approximately 3.5 years after date of hire.
Why would anyone come here. Charlie bucket will spend 2.1 yrs at best on reserve. Get a 1.4 yrs of line holder. Then another 3 years on reserve. So coming here you will do 5.1 yrs of reserve, then maybe flow at year 7 at best. We have horrible reserve rules. Whatever FAR says, that is what are reserve rules are. Our schedules are crappy, it's almost better to be on reserveand, as I said reserve sucks here.
05-17-2016 | 04:34 PM
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In late May 2015 Captain Ric Wilson told the Envoy pilots that all prospective new hires are “projected to make Captain at Envoy within 2.5 years and projected to flow through to American within 6 years of date of hire.”
Shortly thereafter, our good friend Charlie Bucket was hired. How is he doing?
The 2.5/6-year projection shared by management and recruitment was a large contributing factor to his decision to come to Envoy. Charlie is a fantastic pilot that has been a model employee in his year of service to Envoy. Mr. Bucket is still on reserve, and might hold a line by the end of the year, approximately 18 months after being hired. Charlie has approximately 530 pilots ahead of him before he can upgrade, excluding any who bypass or resign. If we continue to upgrade at our current rate, and with reasonably expected attrition, Charlie Bucket will upgrade in November 2018 – approximately 3.5 years after date of hire.
Why would anyone come here. Charlie bucket will spend 2.1 yrs at best on reserve. Get a 1.4 yrs of line holder. Then another 3 years on reserve. So coming here you will do 5.1 yrs of reserve, then maybe flow at year 7 at best. We have horrible reserve rules. Whatever FAR says, that is what are reserve rules are. Our schedules are crappy, it's almost better to be on reserveand, as I said reserve sucks here.
Shortly thereafter, our good friend Charlie Bucket was hired. How is he doing?
The 2.5/6-year projection shared by management and recruitment was a large contributing factor to his decision to come to Envoy. Charlie is a fantastic pilot that has been a model employee in his year of service to Envoy. Mr. Bucket is still on reserve, and might hold a line by the end of the year, approximately 18 months after being hired. Charlie has approximately 530 pilots ahead of him before he can upgrade, excluding any who bypass or resign. If we continue to upgrade at our current rate, and with reasonably expected attrition, Charlie Bucket will upgrade in November 2018 – approximately 3.5 years after date of hire.
Why would anyone come here. Charlie bucket will spend 2.1 yrs at best on reserve. Get a 1.4 yrs of line holder. Then another 3 years on reserve. So coming here you will do 5.1 yrs of reserve, then maybe flow at year 7 at best. We have horrible reserve rules. Whatever FAR says, that is what are reserve rules are. Our schedules are crappy, it's almost better to be on reserveand, as I said reserve sucks here.
05-18-2016 | 03:57 AM
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In late May 2015 Captain Ric Wilson told the Envoy pilots that all prospective new hires are “projected to make Captain at Envoy within 2.5 years and projected to flow through to American within 6 years of date of hire.”
Shortly thereafter, our good friend Charlie Bucket was hired. How is he doing?
The 2.5/6-year projection shared by management and recruitment was a large contributing factor to his decision to come to Envoy. Charlie is a fantastic pilot that has been a model employee in his year of service to Envoy. Mr. Bucket is still on reserve, and might hold a line by the end of the year, approximately 18 months after being hired. Charlie has approximately 530 pilots ahead of him before he can upgrade, excluding any who bypass or resign. If we continue to upgrade at our current rate, and with reasonably expected attrition, Charlie Bucket will upgrade in November 2018 – approximately 3.5 years after date of hire.
Why would anyone come here. Charlie bucket will spend 2.1 yrs at best on reserve. Get a 1.4 yrs of line holder. Then another 3 years on reserve. So coming here you will do 5.1 yrs of reserve, then maybe flow at year 7 at best. We have horrible reserve rules. Whatever FAR says, that is what are reserve rules are. Our schedules are crappy, it's almost better to be on reserveand, as I said reserve sucks here.
Shortly thereafter, our good friend Charlie Bucket was hired. How is he doing?
The 2.5/6-year projection shared by management and recruitment was a large contributing factor to his decision to come to Envoy. Charlie is a fantastic pilot that has been a model employee in his year of service to Envoy. Mr. Bucket is still on reserve, and might hold a line by the end of the year, approximately 18 months after being hired. Charlie has approximately 530 pilots ahead of him before he can upgrade, excluding any who bypass or resign. If we continue to upgrade at our current rate, and with reasonably expected attrition, Charlie Bucket will upgrade in November 2018 – approximately 3.5 years after date of hire.
Why would anyone come here. Charlie bucket will spend 2.1 yrs at best on reserve. Get a 1.4 yrs of line holder. Then another 3 years on reserve. So coming here you will do 5.1 yrs of reserve, then maybe flow at year 7 at best. We have horrible reserve rules. Whatever FAR says, that is what are reserve rules are. Our schedules are crappy, it's almost better to be on reserveand, as I said reserve sucks here.
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