Dude, you're annoying as *******. You work at Allegiant!!! I laugh every time I write that. You chose poorly.

Now that I have you roped in, what are your career goals and how are they moving along? Any interviews lined up at one of the big 3 or are you going to stay satisfied with your lateral move and pray that you don't pop any more engines?

 

I'm painting a real picture of how envoy is, for better or worse. I don't have an agenda unlike yourself. I'm not biased as being pro-envoy or against. I would come here if I were a new-hire, but then again maybe my mentality on looking more then just a couple of years down the road is not in line with the new-hires out there.

 

I think this poster was made for you.

 

Endeavor is also implementing staffing incentives this summer. Shouldn't be also be over there preaching how Endeavors guaranteed interview will never work and Endeavor will fail. 'course, I guess you don't have a bone to pick with Endeavor.

envoy management is making some horrible mistakes but I think offering 300% vacation OT and dirty chairs are a far cry from envoy will fail. Keeping dreaming and wishing though.

 

Despite your convictions, I have no agenda for or against present Envoy pilots. If I did, I would ONLY post pro or anti-Envoy, which unlike certain others (on both directions), I don't (although I'm convinced you and a few others think I do). But it's tough to argue that Envoy seems to have a real penchant for steam-rolling their pilots in ways other carriers don't, far more so then in the past. My original bone was with the claims made about both the anticipated upgrade and flow times, the first of which has been flat out debunked and the latter in serious question.

The rest is virtually all emotional embellishment by those who are frustrated and angry and don't want to hear what may be the reality. They were (and some still are) more blissful in hopeful fantasy, even if it is a mirage. I've long ago concluded many there are simply too far gone and beyond hope, but if there was any agenda, it was geared toward giving those not yet hopeless some foundation to better weather a likely treacherous path should they choose Envoy.

 

I still keep waiting for you to highlight a single post of mine where I say Envoy will fail or is destined to fail. Not ONE SINGLE POST has ever been offered by you to defend this baseless claim. I understand though.........that's what blind emotion does to people. Anyhoo, I couldn't offer any insight into Endeavor's present actions, because I have no past at its predecessor carrier. Envoy OTOH, seems intent on conducting itself very much like that in its past and gee.............if only more present Envoy pilots would be willing to learn and understand that past, would the present (and likely future) not be such a surprising disappointment ?

But, you can lead a mule to water................

 

I can say that anyone that isn't 300 or less from flowing would not be making a bad decision leaving Envoy for anything that may be potentially better. Obviously, the legacies and Southwest top the list with LCC's like Virgin, Jetblue and Spirit coming in a close second. Allegiant is certainly bottom tier but there are many things that make it better for anyone with an Envoy seniority number of 600 to 650 or greater while you wait for the legacy or LCC call.

Like a spouse who finds their mate had been cheating on them for years while everyone else knew all along, a few select Envoy guys have the same derangement syndrome of believing that Envoy/AAG will eventually come around and take care of them. This may eventually play out to be true, however it could be much longer than the shunned Envoy pilot is hoping for. Ask those 16 year seniority guys just now flowing.

 

Haha, I can't believe you're actually throwing out numbers like you know what you're talking about. Admit it. You chose poorly and are bitter about your decision so are now hell bent on seeing envoy fail.

And back to my previous question, how is waiting for that legacy to call going? Any prospects or are you just waiting for them to "see the light!" and give you a shot at interviewing?

 

Just like Eaglefly, I've never said Envoy is going to fail. They won't. AA likes their cheap feed and they will continue to throw dollars at Envoy and the other wholly owneds to keep them afloat for as long as they can staff them. Delta is throwing money at Republic. Seems that they too are addicted to cheap feed.

You are just a kid who has very little experience with anything other than being a CFI and an Envoy FO. Take a look at what AMR has done in the past. AAG is copying it and in fact has taken to a whole new level. With your limited Envoy experience, you just admitted that yourself in a post today. Talk to some senior guys about to flow and see if they believe that AAG will honor what they have said their plan is. Plans can change.

And that's what I'm saying. Envoy isn't going to fail. AAG isn't going to let it fail. What is in jeopardy though is the Ponzi scheme flow. Just like Bernie Madoff's pyramid money scheme where he ran out of money to keep paying "dividends" to current investors to keep other unsuspecting saps coming in the door, AAG has done the same thing with the flow. It's a carrot to lure people in the door when there aren't enough bodies to replace the guys leaving. Unfortunately, the carrot really isn't working anymore with Envoy's dismal hiring numbers.

I would recommend that you do some research and not just sit back waiting on that flow to carry you away to AA. Yes, it might still happen, but I believe that just as the 2.5 year upgrade has been debunked, the 6 year flow will be as well. You might indeed flow someday, however flowing with 10 to 12 or more years of seniority at Envoy is a real possibility.

Applying to Allegiant might to be a fit for you but I would recommend investigating any and all avenues and not just waiting for Envoy to drop you off AA's doorstep.

 

I find it funny that you think you know anything about my background or current position at envoy, when you couldn't be further from the truth. Buck up buttercup, maybe that illusive phone call from your legacy of choice will come one day. On the bright side for you, you've been successful in derailing a thread in which I was not selling envoy. Happy?

Back on topic...hopefully both AAG and envoy management will come to their senses and quit the bs games they've been playing as of late. Things have never been perfect here (are they anywhere?) but they've been getting steadily worse since bankruptcy. In a time where pilot's are more of a commodity then ever, it behooves them to do so. Whatever though, I'm out of here relatively soon it's just a shame to see them sabotage the company due to incompetence. As I've said, fixing this place is so easy a caveman can do it!