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Old 08-18-2016 | 09:59 AM
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ask the new hire crj f/o's a few years ago, same boat.
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Old 08-19-2016 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GodIsGood
Actually Envoy had a class of 11 start two weeks ago, and another 16 start today. Ask yourself if you want short term higher pay per hour or long term career potential.
= no pilot shortage.
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Old 08-22-2016 | 05:10 PM
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Anyone could call into question the motives of someone who is "positive" about their company. Here is an article written by an outsider looking at the industry as a whole.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/1356...e-answers.html

Notice what he sees as a future trend with regionals and the trends seen with the wholly owned regionals of Delta and AA.

If what he predicts is true, we will see fewer regionals flying and more flow agreements going forward which will mean fewer "off the street" options for regional pilots aspiring to move up. If someone chooses to go to a wholly owned regional, and this guy's predictions are wrong, they can still pursue a traditional job search but if someone chooses to go to a non wholly owned without a flow and the flow agreement trend continues, they may find themselves fighting over fewer and fewer off the street positions while competing against military and affirmative action applicants.

Something to think about.
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Old 08-22-2016 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
Anyone could call into question the motives of someone who is "positive" about their company. Here is an article written by an outsider looking at the industry as a whole.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/1356...e-answers.html

Notice what he sees as a future trend with regionals and the trends seen with the wholly owned regionals of Delta and AA.

If what he predicts is true, we will see fewer regionals flying and more flow agreements going forward which will mean fewer "off the street" options for regional pilots aspiring to move up. If someone chooses to go to a wholly owned regional, and this guy's predictions are wrong, they can still pursue a traditional job search but if someone chooses to go to a non wholly owned without a flow and the flow agreement trend continues, they may find themselves fighting over fewer and fewer off the street positions while competing against military and affirmative action applicants.

Something to think about.
Selling an Envoy FO seat today is about as close as one can get to selling a deck chair onboard the Titanic after it struck the iceberg.

Bravo for your effort though.
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Old 08-22-2016 | 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ag386
Selling an Envoy FO seat today is about as close as one can get to selling a deck chair onboard the Titanic after it struck the iceberg.

Bravo for your effort though.
Would you like to tell everyone about the day you got fired from envoy? Or is it still to painful? I'd hate to make you ball your eyes out again. I think they made a very good decision letting you go. You obviously are not a safe employee.
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Old 08-22-2016 | 07:14 PM
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It's "bawl", and while I disagree with ag's continuous *****-fest, because he contributes absolutely squat and has ****-all to say other than his usual anti-ENY junk, we don't need to be sinking to the level of trotting out personal details like that. You wanna say he got fired? Ok, but spilling personal details like that should be left out. JMO.
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Old 08-22-2016 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
Anyone could call into question the motives of someone who is "positive" about their company. Here is an article written by an outsider looking at the industry as a whole.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/1356...e-answers.html

Notice what he sees as a future trend with regionals and the trends seen with the wholly owned regionals of Delta and AA.

If what he predicts is true, we will see fewer regionals flying and more flow agreements going forward which will mean fewer "off the street" options for regional pilots aspiring to move up. If someone chooses to go to a wholly owned regional, and this guy's predictions are wrong, they can still pursue a traditional job search but if someone chooses to go to a non wholly owned without a flow and the flow agreement trend continues, they may find themselves fighting over fewer and fewer off the street positions while competing against military and affirmative action applicants.

Something to think about.
If you think the legacy airlines will somehow be able to get "more picky" with who and where they choose to hire from, I don't think it is worth wasting any breath to try and convince you otherwise. Logic is hard for some.
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Old 08-23-2016 | 04:08 AM
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Right now they can be as picky as they want, and they are being so. The point is to be hired now because we all know that seniority is everything, and later on those at the bottom are furlough fodder.
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