Envoy From a Brighter Prespective
08-15-2016 | 09:26 PM
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75 captain vacancies just went out and selections for the September flow will be coming out in a few days. The flow should be spooling back up close to 30/month.
Envoy isn't the best airline in the world, their employee relations have taken a nose dive lately. But they are upgrading and should be flowing at a very good clip. The new hire numbers have been steady and it's looking like the goal of 300 for the year is in range.
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Envoy isn't the best airline in the world, their employee relations have taken a nose dive lately. But they are upgrading and should be flowing at a very good clip. The new hire numbers have been steady and it's looking like the goal of 300 for the year is in range.
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Just like I'll clear 70-80k as an Fo this year. But hey let's just post punch lines. Especially from bitter ex employees.
08-15-2016 | 11:35 PM
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Just a data point, but a person I know who was selected to be in class at AA this month was summarily fired by Envoy. No, he's not a union guy in any way - just a regular ol' line pilot. Will he probably get his job back? yes, but it'll likely be many, many months - like maybe next summer. I feel bad for the guy.
What kind of people can actually do this to someone and sleep at night?
What kind of people can actually do this to someone and sleep at night?
08-16-2016 | 12:13 AM
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What was the reason for termination? Doesn't matter to me who it is, I'm just trying to gauge the reasons people are getting fired for lately. Mostly social media, Ray's is iffy, and I haven't heard any other reasons.
08-16-2016 | 04:36 AM
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08-16-2016 | 08:11 AM
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It's not difficult to understand. If you're young and have ambitions of flying for one of the big 3, start your career at a regional with a flow or at least a defined path to its mainline partner. If Southwest, JetBlue, Spirit, etc is where you want to make a career at, then go anywhere. It really is that simple.
08-16-2016 | 08:21 AM
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Given that AA will soon be hiring loads of folks off the street this upcoming year and the ones thereafter, going to an AA wholly owned won't matter in the slightest if one's goal is to end up there. AA will most definitely NOT flow its regional feed out of existence. Anyone with sufficient flight time and experience can apply to AA and have a good shot at going there soon, no matter which regional one chooses to work for.
08-16-2016 | 08:26 AM
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Given that AA will soon be hiring loads of folks off the street this upcoming year and the ones thereafter, going to an AA wholly owned won't matter in the slightest if one's goal is to end up there. They will most definitely NOT flow regionals out of existence. Anyone with sufficient flight time and experience can apply to AA and have a good shot at going there soon, no matter which regional one chooses to work for.
Currently 70%+ of AA classes are flows. That will continue for another 2-3 years at which point flows will be 50%. That means for the next 2-3 years off the street hires at AA will only be 30% or less. Eventually they will be 50%.
So with such a relatively low number of off the street hires, you can count on all of them being a combination of ex-military and family with deep connections. Your "loads of street hires" comment is inaccurate, and in any case AA has over 11,000 applications including just about every single Captain and FO flying for the LCCs. So why, pray tell, would they hire a 1,000 hour Regional wonder ahead of everyone else? Wake up.
08-16-2016 | 08:31 AM
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Given that AA will soon be hiring loads of folks off the street this upcoming year and the ones thereafter, going to an AA wholly owned won't matter in the slightest if one's goal is to end up there. AA will most definitely NOT flow its regional feed out of existence. Anyone with sufficient flight time and experience can apply to AA and have a good shot at going there soon, no matter which regional one chooses to work for.
08-16-2016 | 08:52 AM
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Not everyone working at a regional, LLC or ACMI will want to work for AA (they're not my number one at all), or even have the capability to do so owing to a plethora of extraneous circumstances. Also there are many less military aviators being produced today than in the past, and those aviators have much higher flexibility in selecting which carriers they will work for, and if you haven't noticed yet all the big players are hiring and demand will only go up for that limited pool of candidates in the future.
I think I will take my chances and avoid the AA wholly owneds like moldy bread, even if it means working somewhere for much longer to have the chance to work at AA. But I do wish everyone working there absolutely good luck with whatever the future has in store for them.
I think I will take my chances and avoid the AA wholly owneds like moldy bread, even if it means working somewhere for much longer to have the chance to work at AA. But I do wish everyone working there absolutely good luck with whatever the future has in store for them.
08-16-2016 | 09:16 AM
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Just as predictable as a bitter former envoy employee showing up doing his best to bash the company who fired him. I'm proud to defend my own, are you proud about your actions? Is it something you would like to talk about during a United interview? Its a small industry, and we know who you are. What are the chances, do you think, of you ever working for another ALPA carrier again?
I don't know who he is.
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