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Eaglepilot84 09-14-2016 07:30 PM

Don't expect the reserve rules to change. Our VP of flight has said that he doesn't believe new-hires care about reserve rules. His words, not mine. If the arbitrator rules in our favor (highly unlikely) then maybe a cease-and-desist order will come down (again, highly unlikely imo). Most likely the arbitrator will just say get back to negotiations and that will be the resolution. Situation normal, really.

Otterbox 09-14-2016 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2203061)
Can anyone tell me how long the ATP-CTP course at CAE in DFW is? Is it a leave on Sunday return on Friday course, or is it a full week? Thanks.

Should be a full week unless it's changed in the last year.

AdiosMikeFox 09-14-2016 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by Buckeye2013 (Post 2202106)
Sounds like you've done nothing to deserve that job you are talking about. What do pilots like you do to earn your way into a job at AA, sorry I just don't understand, new to this game though.



What, exactly, does one need to do to deserve to work at AA?

rollercoaster 09-14-2016 08:05 PM

Currently, envoy's most junior Captain = 8.5 years. Most junior flow through = 16+ years. Recent announcement is strictly bait to attract new hires.

Reserve life at envoy sucks. Hard line-holder at envoy also sucks. Mostly non-commutable 4-day trips with 11 days off a month. No duty or trip rigs.

Horrible quality of life at envoy right now. I'd seek elsewhere.

boiler07 09-14-2016 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by rollercoaster (Post 2203137)
Currently, envoy's most junior Captain = 8.5 years. Most junior flow through = 16+ years. Recent announcement is strictly bait to attract new hires.

Reserve life at envoy sucks. Hard line-holder at envoy also sucks. Mostly non-commutable 4-day trips with 11 days off a month. No duty or trip rigs.

Horrible quality of life at envoy right now. I'd seek elsewhere.

LOL. My guess is angry gummer, or soon to upgrade FO, who's mad he didn't get a bigger bonus.

boiler07 09-14-2016 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by 29Eleven (Post 2203085)
Show me one pilot who has flowed at 5 years and I'll give you my paycheck. You give me a dollar for every pilot I name who has flowed at 16 years. Want to guess who will be paying who?

post 97

Please work on your reading comprehension and rejoin us when you feel you have a stronger grasp.

rollercoaster 09-14-2016 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by boiler07 (Post 2203167)
LOL. My guess is angry gummer, or soon to upgrade FO, who's mad he didn't get a bigger bonus.

Did I state something non-factual? I stand by my statements and reiterate that envoy is not a good place to work.

boiler07 09-14-2016 10:17 PM


Originally Posted by rollercoaster (Post 2203192)
Did I state something non-factual? I stand by my statements and reiterate that envoy is not a good place to work.

It's your implications which are non-factual.

People see through it anyway. Flow time has been misrepresented enough that they'd only have to go back a few pages.

Ps. Please stop spamming every single thread. We get it; you're angry.

LineUpAndPay 09-14-2016 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by rollercoaster (Post 2203192)
Did I state something non-factual? I stand by my statements and reiterate that envoy is not a good place to work.

You're the smart guy who only sees current numbers and doesn't put thought into it. You're the kind of guy that blindly accepts release fuel numbers without actually looking at the weather.

mr25cents 09-15-2016 03:08 AM

Latest flow plan shows Oct '10 FO completing Captain upgrade by end of Nov '16, 6 yr upgrade is right around the corner.


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