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iFlyRC 09-14-2016 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by SilentLurker (Post 2202248)
Seniority is everything. Esp for a new hire, and those considering Envoy as their #2 & #3 choice, may now consider Envoy as their #1 choice with this pay bump. Envoy is a safe choice.

Seriously, AWC, Mesa pilots should consider jumping ship... regional shuffle. Envoy, could be very last interview. QOL & mgmt relationship issues are being handled by union. Endeavor had worst problems with Delta Mgmt not even 2yrs ago.

We must always realize a Regionals is not a career destination. Get in get out

I have no doubt that Mesa is about to lose a lot of FO's to Envoy

pitpalacul 09-14-2016 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by iFlyRC (Post 2202286)
I have no doubt that Mesa is about to lose a lot of FO's to Envoy

Looking forward to fly with "going sterile"...

VArellano 09-14-2016 06:17 AM

Just got an email saying Envoy first year FO pay is going up to $37.60. Interesting.

Bassman1985 09-14-2016 06:18 AM

So, the new pay scheme has been approved by the MEC. Does it now go out for a pilot group vote, or is this signed, sealed and delivered?

use2fly 09-14-2016 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Bassman1985 (Post 2202323)
So, the new pay scheme has been approved by the MEC. Does it now go out for a pilot group vote, or is this signed, sealed and delivered?

Unfortunately, I don't think we get to vote on it. If we do, I'll vote NO. I can see how this will help get new hires, but it won't keep anyone from leaving.
If they would give us 12 days off, fix reserve and improve the schedules, they would stop the bleeding overnight.

2nd year FO

airlinegypsy 09-14-2016 06:42 AM

If they were serious about fixing this place, they would fix the schedules. However, until they do that I'll gladly take more money until I flow.


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DilsonWic 09-14-2016 06:51 AM

6.5 years here. My upgrade class doesn't start for 2 months.

Aviatrx 09-14-2016 07:04 AM

First off, the pay raises are not up for vote. We should take them even though QOL is not fixed. The pay bumps should help new hires to commit to Envoy. As far as retention goes, fixing schedules would go much further in retaining pilots. Most that are looking to leave want relief from 11days off, long monthly transition stretches, poor cadence (4 on 2 off- moving days off), and inefficient/uncommutable trips.

Centurion 09-14-2016 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Aviatrx (Post 2202379)
First off, the pay raises are not up for vote. We should take them even though QOL is not fixed. The pay bumps should help new hires to commit to Envoy. As far as retention goes, fixing schedules would go much further in retaining pilots. Most that are looking to leave want relief from 11days off, long monthly transition stretches, poor cadence (4 on 2 off- moving days off), and inefficient/uncommutable trips.

Don't forget the horrible reserve rules. In fact the judge was suppose to hand down his judgment at the end of August about automatic RAP1. All quite on the western front from ALPA.

leica typ240 09-14-2016 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by Aviatrx (Post 2202379)
Most that are looking to leave want relief from 11days off, long monthly transition stretches, poor cadence (4 on 2 off- moving days off), and inefficient/uncommutable trips.


...all true, if the company fixed our schedules today, then the majority would be complaining about pay rates!!!


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