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Side rant. Nothing to see here.
If these top execs at AAG had to wear these uniforms for just 1 hour, heads would roll. My god these are cheap POS's
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Originally Posted by criticalaoa
(Post 2201352)
I'll man up and say it..."there is no better time to be an envoy pilot" lol
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
(Post 2201425)
When you run the #s, in some scenarios you make more money over a lifetime by heading to another major instead of waiting X years to flow. Or they have bases in a place where you want to live.
Envoys flow amounts don't last forever. They greatly curtail as milestone wickets are hit. It may be the best deal for some but won't be for everyone. Popcorn is ready... |
Originally Posted by Bassman1985
(Post 2201481)
The contractual flow numbers are minimums. If AA needs pilots at mainline, we go. 8300 retirements over the next decade at AA alone. Strangling the flow to keep 145s flying at the WO's would mean parking A-319s at AA, plus it would trigger an exodus among junior pilots after they decide to bail for real opportunities. Unless AAG mgmt is completely daft, when push comes to shove, they'll park 50- and eventually 70- and 76-seaters at their regional partners and then subsidiaries or bring them up to AA. Either that, or increase our compensation to the point that it's more expensive to outsource than do it yourself.
Popcorn is ready... I'm not a flow hater at all. It's a great tool that I wil use if I end up going part 121 and don't end up at a major directly when I make the jump. Unfortunately Envoys flow terms are different for those hired today than they were for those flowing now. |
Originally Posted by DilsonWic
(Post 2201454)
If these top execs at AAG had to wear these uniforms for just 1 hour, heads would roll. My god these are cheap POS's
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Originally Posted by Jland0413
(Post 2201312)
Do you know what the new pay is going to be? I'm just wondering.
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
(Post 2201576)
Details are forthcoming, but first year compensation will be competitive with Republic.
Everyday Envoy sounds better and better to me. Can't wait to start school and interview later. |
Originally Posted by Jland0413
(Post 2201612)
Wow that's huge
Everyday Envoy sounds better and better to me. Can't wait to start school and interview later. |
Originally Posted by bigtime209
(Post 2201576)
Details are forthcoming, but first year compensation will be competitive with Republic.
Wait, let see if envoy pilots have to give up anything for management's generosity. |
Originally Posted by Otterbox
(Post 2201503)
Currently the flow is a minimum #/%. After the December 2014 hires hut it becomes the lesser of 25% or X, just like PDT and PSA.
I'm not a flow hater at all. It's a great tool that I wil use if I end up going part 121 and don't end up at a major directly when I make the jump. Unfortunately Envoys flow terms are different for those hired today than they were for those flowing now. Also keep in mind, that the current multi-class flow program has evolved through several modifications into what it is today. You can expect that during the next round of contract negotiations, the company will create another "class" of new hires boosting flow rates for those hired after the Protected Pilot Group but before XX/XX/2018 hire date and then it goes back to the lower rate. Then in a few years, they will do it again and again. Nothing about the flow prohibits an employee from pursuing employment elsewhere. An envoy pilot can still network, attend Job Fairs and get hired at a LCC or a Major airline of their choice, including AA. |
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