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pagey 11-15-2016 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr (Post 2243896)
A lot of what ifs and hypotheticals in there.

"Our flow will increase". Yea...because you said so, or because "they're going to have to sooner or later". We've heard it all before. :rolleyes:

Ahh, no. It will increase because an increase is contained in the LOA. For every 63(?) captains we gain one slot at AA. With 30+ acft still to come at PSA there is no way the flow will not increase.

chrisreedrules 11-15-2016 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr (Post 2243896)
A lot of what ifs and hypotheticals in there.

"Our flow will increase". Yea...because you said so, or because "they're going to have to sooner or later". We've heard it all before. :rolleyes:

Huh? Our flow increasing is part of an LOA. We're filling 2 classes /month well into the new year. No reason I can see why it won't. We still have some of the most growth left of any regional around today.

PilotJ3 11-15-2016 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by PSA help (Post 2243779)
Delta loves to hire PSA pilots. We have sent more to Delta than AA in the last few months.

You only have to send 5 to Delta to be more than AA. XD

On the other hand, Delta is also hiring envoy FOs. So doesn't matter which way he goes it will be fine.

I would say go with the easiest commute. Been here 6yrs and being Jmanned only 3 times and 2 of them I was able to get out of it without issues.

LongTimeListenr 11-15-2016 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 2243907)
Ahh, no. It will increase because an increase is contained in the LOA. For every 63(?) captains we gain one slot at AA. With 30+ acft still to come at PSA there is no way the flow will not increase.

Absolutely has to happen, right? I suppose it would be unfortunate if those -900s ended up being brought in as -200s were retired or parked. That would through a very ugly wrench into that projection. :eek:

LongTimeListenr 11-15-2016 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2243932)
Huh? Our flow increasing is part of an LOA.

That's quite the misleading statement since it's contingent upon your staffing numbers changing. Smoke and mirrors as y'all continue to gloss over the fact that it's not a guarantee.


We're filling 2 classes /month well into the new year. No reason I can see why it won't. We still have some of the most growth left of any regional around today.

I suppose time will tell. But until then....you're still at the slower flow.

filler....

Dubz 11-15-2016 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 2244076)
So doesn't matter which way he goes it will be fine.

I would say go with the easiest commute. Been here 6yrs and being Jmanned only 3 times and 2 of them I was able to get out of it without issues.

Concur... personally, I don't think it will much matter which WO a person chooses today. I suspect that flow and salary will be virtually the same across the board; with only subtle differences in work rules. I find it hard to believe that Delta, United, or any other carrier sees PSA, Envoy, Endeavor, etc. on a resume and favors one over the other. How does one's work day or responsibility vary significantly over the other? But what do I know... I'm just a pilot. It's been said a million times, select based on QOL -- most would say that QOL is best attained by minimizing one's effort in getting to and from work.

chrisreedrules 11-16-2016 02:36 AM


Originally Posted by LongTimeListenr (Post 2244096)
Absolutely has to happen, right? I suppose it would be unfortunate if those -900s ended up being brought in as -200s were retired or parked. That would through a very ugly wrench into that projection. :eek:

That's why they are getting major engine overhauls and new interiors...

ORDinary 11-16-2016 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by cr700 (Post 2243629)
Much has been made on this board about schedules at Envoy. I have to be honest. It's LARGELY EXAGGERATED! There are a few anti Envoy types here that are constantly posting anything bad about the company possible and that includes schedules.

I will admit though that there are issues with a few of the sequences. However, these should affect very few pilots and not on every single sequence. As has been posted ad nauseum here, the issues lie in the flight file that is assigned to Envoy by AAG. The lack of midday flying has been one of the central issues Envoy has faced in the past year.

Expect anything that is an issue to improve in January or February as AAG is expected to add midday flying to the Envoy package.

After saying all of that, you are still going to flow to American. And you are going to flow faster than PSA or PDT. These three carriers are the only no interview and automatic flow in the industry. Envoy's flow percentages and contract language are far superior to PSA and PDT as well. If you want AA, then Envoy is where you want to be.

Anyone who thinks our schedule and QoL problems are exaggerated obviously sits behind a desk for a living and either doesn't know what they're talking about, or is being dishonest.

VFRrequest 11-16-2016 08:12 AM

"When you add up Envoy’s increased signing bonus"

Envoy boosts industry-leading starting pay to $60,000! | Envoy Air

Pedro4President 11-16-2016 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by VFRrequest (Post 2244373)
"When you add up Envoy’s increased signing bonus"

Envoy boosts industry-leading starting pay to $60,000! | Envoy Air

22,100$ on day one..... shocking they increased it so quickly.

PSA also doing this?


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