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Originally Posted by PSA help (Post 2244537)

Paying off high interest loans will save you a TON of money in the long run!

Except that Sallie Mae applies extra payments to interest, not principle :mad:

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Originally Posted by havick (Post 2244587)

Either way, the longer you wait to make your decision to get into a class, you're doing yourself a disservice by losing seniority at whichever carrier you decide to go with as others join ahead of you at 50/month.

Roger that, for what its worth in my mind its down to PSA or Skywest - leaning towards PSA but hesitant for previously stated reasons.

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Originally Posted by NMuir (Post 2244604)

Except that Sallie Mae applies extra payments to interest, not principle :mad:

Thankfully all mine are federal. So they should count it towards principle.

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Originally Posted by Dubz (Post 2244592)

The press release says "over $21000". Looking at the three websites Piedmont's breaks it down to 38.8 (salary) + 16.2 (sign on) + 5 (121 experience bonus); PSA's states "can receive over $21,000 immediately"; and Envoy's says "receive up to $22,100 sign-on bonus on your first day."

That would lead my untrained eye to believe that they wanted to tout 60K 1st year FO pay across the board and like the previous examples... what one gets they all get.

Has Envoy dropped the 121 experience requirement for the 5K? Neither Envoy or PSA gave a specific breakdown that I could find.

envoy
$37,900 base pay + $17,100 signing bonus + $5,000 (if you fly CRJ or E145) = $60,000

PSA
$38,480 base pay + $16,520 signing + $5,000 (if you have CRJ type rating) = $60,000

Piedmont
$38,800 base pay + $16,200 signing + $5,000 (if you have any Part 121 experience) = $60,000

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Originally Posted by PiedmontFlyer (Post 2244655)

Perfect... thanks.

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Originally Posted by PleaseComplete (Post 2244585)

not trying to be disingenuous here but having several offers on my table is making it hard to decide and....

what i can't shake from my mind is if it was such a good place to work than why do they have to throw big bonuses at you (envoy or psa) ?

every time i think that previous thought I think of that movie Tommy Boy where Chris Farley says "if you want me to poop in a box and write guaranteed on it...."

also, i keep thinking about how American Eagle got screwed on the flow

i don't know, as i said not trying to be disingenuous here having hard time deciding what is best for me

Personal perspective, but I believe the reason the WOs/AA are offering bonuses is that they didn't want to adjust the pay scales across the board. It was easier and cheaper to give bonuses and manipulate the pay scales by shifting the year 3 and 4 scales to 1 and 2. It was all done to fill seats.

If I were looking, I would consider the ease of getting to work, anticipated reserve time frame, other QOL issues, and then pay. You will have plenty of time to think about whether or not that 5K differential was worth it when you are on your second year of reserve when you could have sat two or three months... if you find yourself there. You'll make up the 5K month by month by not being on reserve and flying over guarantee.

Best of luck with your decision.

By that logic it's

Envoy
Pro: Commuting, full bonus
Con: Reserve Length, contract violations, lifer top heavy

PSA
Pro: Reserve length, SAP, senior line holder at around a year
Con: Commuting, smaller bonus, Most likely will have to move

So it's leaning towards PSA just for the QOL of reserve and line holding.

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Originally Posted by BizJet (Post 2244695)

All depends on what your priorities are... if you don't want to move go to Envoy. If you want to live in a PSA base pack your bags. If you want to fly a lot soon and have more control over your schedule... PSA. I'm glad you and many have the option to choose. I'm no naysayer, I don't think there's all that much of a difference between the three. You would have to ask an Envoyer but my guess is that reserve times are shortening now that classes are filling up.

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Originally Posted by PiedmontFlyer (Post 2244655)

Man, that's a lot of "IFs"...banking on lateral movement once again.

The Poach...I mean, the Purge begins!

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Originally Posted by PiedmontFlyer (Post 2244655)

So the PSA base pay of 38.50x75 plus $3000 for hotels comes out to $37,650. I know its close but am i missing something or did they slightly raise hourly pay rate recently too?