Originally Posted by Subpilot (Post 2443508)

I believed they waived the training freeze so that you have the option to bid for captain, if desired. Has no relevance on being displaced. The company and union both would rather have pilots bidding for captain vs being displaced to captain.

Originally Posted by Sheg0theD (Post 2443506)

I understand what you are saying, but if that is the case why is the contract compliance guy for ALPA telling me “ALPa waived that for this one bid.


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Originally Posted by Sheg0theD (Post 2443470)

Also the union caved if 15G4 is used.. this one time the union waived the new hire training freeze. I am one of the guys affected and the union gave the company a pass on unlocking everyone else, if they force us to upgrade on a different airframe than we were hired on.

Also if we get forced to upgrade and displaced out of our original award, the only way the company gives us displacement pay, travel, and hotels is if we are displaced to the 175 ORD...

If I get forced to upgrade in OrD on the CRJ for example, I only get three move days and nothing else.

Kinda sour way to introduce new hires to a company.


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Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2443539)

The first paragraph is wrong. Nothing the union could of done to stop this.



The rest of your comments I'm not sure about because the New base LOA is so new. I am pretty sure you are right that there are extra benefits awarded for guys displaced to the 175 ORD.

Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2443537)

Cause that guy and many of them in there don't know what they are talking about. There are a few guys that know their stuff. Many of them don't know the fringe rules that rarely come up.

Originally Posted by Sheg0theD (Post 2443540)

I am just relaying the info the contract compliance guy relayed to me. Take it for what it’s worth. I also have an email chain of what I have mentioned to you guys. I promise I made those guys work this last week. I think it’s poor to force a new hire to upgrade.. especially if they want to get comfortable with the way the company operates. I have been out of the 121 world for a while and just want to get acclimated with the company SOP and normal day to day operations before being the one responsible for signing the AML.


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Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2443554)

Now the likelyhood of you end up being a CA is slim. You could, in the end, bid out of the CA slot before you actually start training.



I think during your FED ride you should look at the guy and say can you not sign off on me because I am not ready to be a CA yet. I would really like to hear that would go down.

Originally Posted by HardLemonade (Post 2443536)

Do you get membership to the mile high club if it happens in the forward lav of a 175 while parked at the gate? Bonus points if you had no business being on said aircraft in the first place??

Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2443554)

Now the likelyhood of you end up being a CA is slim. You could, in the end, bid out of the CA slot before you actually start training.

I think during your FED ride you should look at the guy and say can you not sign off on me because I am not ready to be a CA yet. I would really like to hear that would go down.