Envoy
01-30-2018, 05:41 AM
#6941
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 113
Originally Posted by 1704LIFE
My guess is that it is a psychological recruiting tool. The big win is that it keeps flow under 10 years, if we exceed 10 years people will see it as obsolete. But 7 or 9, that is still sellable.
01-30-2018, 05:49 AM
#6942
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,523
Originally Posted by ceelo
Why on earth would 9 years be sellable? Maybe it'll be sellable to those that aren't good enough to get into a major or are simply too lazy to update their apps but I'd imagine that most people don't feel like sitting at a regional (especially one like Envoy) for a decade.
01-30-2018, 06:49 AM
#6944
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 260
Originally Posted by ceelo
Why on earth would 9 years be sellable? Maybe it'll be sellable to those that aren't good enough to get into a major or are simply too lazy to update their apps but I'd imagine that most people don't feel like sitting at a regional (especially one like Envoy) for a decade.
01-30-2018, 08:33 AM
#6945
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 190
Republic just passed their TA. The thing wasn't perfect but they certainly are much more competitive than envoy. And they are in all the same domiciles as envoy except DFW. We'll see but I think hiring will start to feel the pinch soon
01-30-2018, 08:54 AM
#6946
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 57
Envoys primary recruitment is from non-degree pilots, which is apparent from the Cadet program. If you are a 22-26 year old with no degree, under 10 years is within their margins.
Not to say they are all non-degree, plenty of us have them. But our Cadet schools are a wide variety, and not selective to 4-year programs...which there are far fewer.
Not to say they are all non-degree, plenty of us have them. But our Cadet schools are a wide variety, and not selective to 4-year programs...which there are far fewer.
01-30-2018, 10:16 AM
#6947
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Joined APC: May 2016
Position: E175
Posts: 686
Originally Posted by BIueSideUp
I needed a good laugh to start my morning. I haven't been all that into the forums until just recently and I find myself really looking forward to this guy's words of wisdom.
01-30-2018, 11:34 AM
#6948
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 439
We NEED to update our reserve system. Please push this in your upcoming union crew room meet and greets.
I know people on the forum are aware, but it’s not going to happen unless everyone is pushing for it. The horrid reserve system will affect EVERYONE here at some point within two years or less of being on property, so everyone should care!!! Let’s get the best reserve system in the industry.
I know people on the forum are aware, but it’s not going to happen unless everyone is pushing for it. The horrid reserve system will affect EVERYONE here at some point within two years or less of being on property, so everyone should care!!! Let’s get the best reserve system in the industry.
01-30-2018, 12:29 PM
#6949
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 101
Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
We NEED to update our reserve system. Please push this in your upcoming union crew room meet and greets.
I know people on the forum are aware, but it’s not going to happen unless everyone is pushing for it. The horrid reserve system will affect EVERYONE here at some point within two years or less of being on property, so everyone should care!!! Let’s get the best reserve system in the industry.
I know people on the forum are aware, but it’s not going to happen unless everyone is pushing for it. The horrid reserve system will affect EVERYONE here at some point within two years or less of being on property, so everyone should care!!! Let’s get the best reserve system in the industry.
Reserve is temporary. At some point our reserve pilots will become line holders. That is a fact. And given AA hiring forecasts from here on out (hard to tell to the extent of metering), reserve time should not be long for either seats... Unless you were one of those high value aviators who will be at the bottom for quite awhile... I don't feel bad for those guys. They came here knowing what to expect and if they read anything on here they were given a more than fair warning.
01-30-2018, 12:50 PM
#6950
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 190
Originally Posted by CaptJackSparrow
Listen, we have all sat reserve at some point (for the most part). Some of us for 3+ years without wonderful bonuses/pay and commuter hotels and all the other benefits available to new hires now. While the reserve system does in fact need an overhaul/improvement, the forefront of our concerns should be pay.
Reserve is temporary. At some point our reserve pilots will become line holders. That is a fact. And given AA hiring forecasts from here on out (hard to tell to the extent of metering), reserve time should not be long for either seats... Unless you were one of those high value aviators who will be at the bottom for quite awhile... I don't feel bad for those guys. They came here knowing what to expect and if they read anything on here they were given a more than fair warning.
Reserve is temporary. At some point our reserve pilots will become line holders. That is a fact. And given AA hiring forecasts from here on out (hard to tell to the extent of metering), reserve time should not be long for either seats... Unless you were one of those high value aviators who will be at the bottom for quite awhile... I don't feel bad for those guys. They came here knowing what to expect and if they read anything on here they were given a more than fair warning.
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