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07-16-2018, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
You also don’t need a medical to flight instruct either in some cases. Nor do you need to have three takeoffs and landings within 90 days at night to provide instruction (The FAA published a letter of interpretation on this). If flight instructing was a commercial operation you would be illegal to do the above.
That is because for instruction where the student is already at least a private pilot (can log PIC) then the instructor does not need to be the PIC of the flight, hence no need for medical or landing currency. However, that does not change the fact that the instructor still needs to have both a commercial certificate and CFI, and by definition is operating under the commercial certificate for compensation/hire.
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07-16-2018, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sgk0708
If I was displaced off of a trip for ioe, reassigned a short overnight with a deadhead back to base, can I drop the deadhead and still be guaranteed the original trip pay or does it screw everything up because I dropped part of a reassignment? I’d like to drop the deadhead because I can commute 1 leg from where I end up.
07-16-2018, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Inclined plane
That is because for instruction where the student is already at least a private pilot (can log PIC) then the instructor does not need to be the PIC of the flight, hence no need for medical or landing currency. However, that does not change the fact that the instructor still needs to have both a commercial certificate and CFI, and by definition is operating under the commercial certificate for compensation/hire.
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(b) Currency.
No person may:
(1) Exercise privileges of an airman certificate, rating, endorsement, or authorization issued under this part unless that person meets the appropriate airman and medical recency requirements of this part, specific to the operation or activity.
Again, if a medical is required to exercise the privileges of a certificate (in this case commercial), how is it that one can perform a commercial operation without a medical?
07-16-2018, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
Take a look at 61.2(b)(1)
(b) Currency.
No person may:
(1) Exercise privileges of an airman certificate, rating, endorsement, or authorization issued under this part unless that person meets the appropriate airman and medical recency requirements of this part, specific to the operation or activity.
Again, if a medical is required to exercise the privileges of a certificate (in this case commercial), how is it that one can perform a commercial operation without a medical?
(b) Currency.
No person may:
(1) Exercise privileges of an airman certificate, rating, endorsement, or authorization issued under this part unless that person meets the appropriate airman and medical recency requirements of this part, specific to the operation or activity.
Again, if a medical is required to exercise the privileges of a certificate (in this case commercial), how is it that one can perform a commercial operation without a medical?
You are hilarious. Try telling that to an FAA DPE on your commercial pilot checkride. Flight instruction is listed in the FARs as one of the things you may do with your commercial pilot privileges.
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07-16-2018, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Inclined plane
You are hilarious. Try telling that to an FAA DPE on your commercial pilot checkride. Flight instruction is listed in the FARs as one of the things you may do with your commercial pilot privileges.
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And yes, I would love to hear an FAA inspector explain how one can perform a commercial operation without a medical. (I.e. flight instruction sans medical).
07-16-2018, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
The reg you are referring to (61.133) does not list flight instruction in an airplane.
And yes, I would love to hear an FAA inspector explain how one can perform a commercial operation without a medical. (I.e. flight instruction sans medical).
And yes, I would love to hear an FAA inspector explain how one can perform a commercial operation without a medical. (I.e. flight instruction sans medical).
Broham, the back of your flight instructor certificate literally says “valid only when accompanied by pilot certificate Noxxxxxx”
Lol!
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07-16-2018, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Inclined plane
Broham, the back of your flight instructor certificate literally says “valid only when accompanied by pilot certificate Noxxxxxx”
Lol!
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I have no dog in this fight brohäus, but this is an entertaining academic conversation haha
07-16-2018, 02:27 PM
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There is case law that defines what is considered commercial flying.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...IMcazA2SwKf93f
The liability potential with certificate action is exponentially increased when flight instructing.
Company does not want you to become unavailable for flying.
-Keep the dirty side down
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...IMcazA2SwKf93f
The liability potential with certificate action is exponentially increased when flight instructing.
Company does not want you to become unavailable for flying.
-Keep the dirty side down
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07-16-2018, 02:30 PM
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Regardless of your interpretation of the various parts of 14 CFR (just google it and enjoy the rabbit hole....), the FM1 says no outside flying for reward. If it’s ever changed to “....except for CFIs” I may pursue it but honestly who wants to crawl back into those little sweat boxes lol.
That said if your friend hits you up for a flight review and you do it pro bono and you accidentally forget your wallet later that night at the steakhouse he took you to, who’s to say....
That said if your friend hits you up for a flight review and you do it pro bono and you accidentally forget your wallet later that night at the steakhouse he took you to, who’s to say....
07-16-2018, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
The reg you are referring to (61.133) does not list flight instruction in an airplane.
And yes, I would love to hear an FAA inspector explain how one can perform a commercial operation without a medical. (I.e. flight instruction sans medical).
And yes, I would love to hear an FAA inspector explain how one can perform a commercial operation without a medical. (I.e. flight instruction sans medical).
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