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Old 07-16-2018 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by in2deep
Good thing flight instruction doesn’t count as commercial flying

A commercial certificate is required to flight instruct, so it follows that flight instruction is a function of commercial flying. Care to share your reasoning?


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Old 07-16-2018 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Inclined plane
A commercial certificate is required to flight instruct, so it follows that flight instruction is a function of commercial flying. Care to share your reasoning?


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You also don’t need a medical to flight instruct either in some cases. Nor do you need to have three takeoffs and landings within 90 days at night to provide instruction (The FAA published a letter of interpretation on this). If flight instructing was a commercial operation you would be illegal to do the above.
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Old 07-16-2018 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
You also don’t need a medical to flight instruct either in some cases. Nor do you need to have three takeoffs and landings within 90 days at night to provide instruction (The FAA published a letter of interpretation on this). If flight instructing was a commercial operation you would be illegal to do the above.


That is because for instruction where the student is already at least a private pilot (can log PIC) then the instructor does not need to be the PIC of the flight, hence no need for medical or landing currency. However, that does not change the fact that the instructor still needs to have both a commercial certificate and CFI, and by definition is operating under the commercial certificate for compensation/hire.


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Old 07-16-2018 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sgk0708
If I was displaced off of a trip for ioe, reassigned a short overnight with a deadhead back to base, can I drop the deadhead and still be guaranteed the original trip pay or does it screw everything up because I dropped part of a reassignment? I’d like to drop the deadhead because I can commute 1 leg from where I end up.
Instead of doing that I would advise you call crew scheduling and tell them to change the deadhead to your commute base if its an AA flight. Its a newer policy. Otherwise yes you can call and ask them to drop it and yes you keep the original trip pay either way.
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Old 07-16-2018 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Inclined plane
That is because for instruction where the student is already at least a private pilot (can log PIC) then the instructor does not need to be the PIC of the flight, hence no need for medical or landing currency. However, that does not change the fact that the instructor still needs to have both a commercial certificate and CFI, and by definition is operating under the commercial certificate for compensation/hire.



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Take a look at 61.2(b)(1)
(b) Currency.
No person may:
(1) Exercise privileges of an airman certificate, rating, endorsement, or authorization issued under this part unless that person meets the appropriate airman and medical recency requirements of this part, specific to the operation or activity.

Again, if a medical is required to exercise the privileges of a certificate (in this case commercial), how is it that one can perform a commercial operation without a medical?
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Old 07-16-2018 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
Take a look at 61.2(b)(1)

(b) Currency.

No person may:

(1) Exercise privileges of an airman certificate, rating, endorsement, or authorization issued under this part unless that person meets the appropriate airman and medical recency requirements of this part, specific to the operation or activity.



Again, if a medical is required to exercise the privileges of a certificate (in this case commercial), how is it that one can perform a commercial operation without a medical?


You are hilarious. Try telling that to an FAA DPE on your commercial pilot checkride. Flight instruction is listed in the FARs as one of the things you may do with your commercial pilot privileges.


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Old 07-16-2018 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Inclined plane
You are hilarious. Try telling that to an FAA DPE on your commercial pilot checkride. Flight instruction is listed in the FARs as one of the things you may do with your commercial pilot privileges.


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The reg you are referring to (61.133) does not list flight instruction in an airplane.

And yes, I would love to hear an FAA inspector explain how one can perform a commercial operation without a medical. (I.e. flight instruction sans medical).
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Old 07-16-2018 | 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
The reg you are referring to (61.133) does not list flight instruction in an airplane.



And yes, I would love to hear an FAA inspector explain how one can perform a commercial operation without a medical. (I.e. flight instruction sans medical).


Broham, the back of your flight instructor certificate literally says “valid only when accompanied by pilot certificate Noxxxxxx”
Lol!


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Old 07-16-2018 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Inclined plane
Broham, the back of your flight instructor certificate literally says “valid only when accompanied by pilot certificate Noxxxxxx”
Lol!


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No one is arguing you don’t need the piece of plastic that says “Commerical Pilot” on it. Needing the piece of commercial plastic to be a flight instructor does not automatically mean that flight instructing is a commercial operation.

I have no dog in this fight brohäus, but this is an entertaining academic conversation haha
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Old 07-16-2018 | 02:27 PM
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There is case law that defines what is considered commercial flying.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...IMcazA2SwKf93f

The liability potential with certificate action is exponentially increased when flight instructing.

Company does not want you to become unavailable for flying.

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