United looking at ExpressJet article...
03-29-2018, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
If United were to offer flow rather than an interview wouldn’t it make more sense to try to offer it at companies that fly the larger jets rather than those with 50 seat jets? If the purpose of flow is to protect feed, wouldn’t they protect the feed they want to keep (big rj’s) and not the feed that they want replaced with bigger planes, either mainline or more big rj's. Still confused on what ExpressJet has to offer that couldn’t be obtained at another airline. I don’t see mainline giving up any scope relief and there are no more large rj’s to be had unless they introduce another mainline narrow body fleet.
But sit on this for a second; up until the recent MESA CPP, the CPP was for carriers that only fly UAX. XJT, Commutair, and the recent addition of AWAC. Naturally, XJT being the biggest of the 3. Also, all 3 flying nothing larger than 50 seat jets.
The "bigger" regional flying the "bigger jets/RJ's" (ahem, SkyWest/RAH) flies multiple paint jobs.
Again, ask Willis Tower why MESA was recently let into the CPP fold.
Originally Posted by McNugent
Thanks for the info.
I’ve had some friends not get through the CPP interview for whatever reason, so my info from them might be a little skewed in the negative direction (I totally understand).
I certainly don’t speak for everyone at UAL, but for me and many of my friends who came from years at the regionals, we’re constantly scratching our heads in wonder of what the plan is. They change their hiring numbers with us constantly and it’s frustrating to see great people passed over, or hiring delayed. The next wave always seems to be just around the corner. Best of luck to my ASA/XJT peeps. You deserve the best.
I’ve had some friends not get through the CPP interview for whatever reason, so my info from them might be a little skewed in the negative direction (I totally understand).
I certainly don’t speak for everyone at UAL, but for me and many of my friends who came from years at the regionals, we’re constantly scratching our heads in wonder of what the plan is. They change their hiring numbers with us constantly and it’s frustrating to see great people passed over, or hiring delayed. The next wave always seems to be just around the corner. Best of luck to my ASA/XJT peeps. You deserve the best.
Originally Posted by Blackhawk
I know some very good FO's who went over to the ERJ side and failed the Hogan.
Mid 2000 hires??? Seriously?? Why would anyone stay here much less come here for that crap?? Go over to Commutair and get there in 1/4 the time.
I don't see UAL doing anything until 145's start getting parked because there are no pilots to fly them. Even then, maybe not.
Mid 2000 hires??? Seriously?? Why would anyone stay here much less come here for that crap?? Go over to Commutair and get there in 1/4 the time.
I don't see UAL doing anything until 145's start getting parked because there are no pilots to fly them. Even then, maybe not.
03-29-2018, 12:15 PM
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Th CPP does not guarantee an interview. It guarantees a chance to take the Hogan. Some of the best pilots and humans I know at XJT have been kicked out of the CPP for failing the Hogan not once, but twice.
It really is a joke. Success rates are well below 50%. One of these days, the pilot hiring department will fall of their high horse and be begging for new hires.
It really is a joke. Success rates are well below 50%. One of these days, the pilot hiring department will fall of their high horse and be begging for new hires.
03-29-2018, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
The most recent class at UAL (March 6th) had 2004 hires from XJT.
(CPP guys)
(CPP guys)
Were there any in the second Feb class?
Those 2004 hires in March must have just scratched the surface.
03-30-2018, 06:34 AM
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A flow will also have a commitment requiring a certain number of hires from the regional carrier. Otherwise, it’s too easy for mainline to bypass candidates from the flow.
That said, it should be easy to add additional requirements to qualify for the flow, beyond just being hired at the regional.
That said, it should be easy to add additional requirements to qualify for the flow, beyond just being hired at the regional.
03-30-2018, 08:24 AM
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In the past few years United has changed their mind so many times that I’ve lost count. Buying 65 737-700’s and growing to 16,000 pilots, changing and putting off orders and deliveries, increasing utilization, parking the 747 early and the effect that had on training and hiring, etc. My guess is that more changes are on the way and flow or any particular regional feed isn’t top of the list. Either way with the section 6 negotiations underway I would not expect any credible info to be released until a contract is signed. Until then all we’ll hear is leaks or rumors from both sides in an effort to sway opinion. I do think that Oscar has a more long term business plan in mind than previous managers who seemed to focus more on shorter term investor appeasement. For this I’m cautiously optimistic.
03-30-2018, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by da42pilot
A flow will also have a commitment requiring a certain number of hires from the regional carrier. Otherwise, it’s too easy for mainline to bypass candidates from the flow.
When it’s all said and done roughly 50% of our newhires will be via CPP.
03-30-2018, 03:54 PM
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