Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy

I may be missing something but envoy, Piedmont and PSA are all Alpa and have flow.

Originally Posted by DownInPetaluma

You make a lot of assumptions. CPP is nothing more than a way to prevent people from leaving; another roadblock so United can maintain their precious feed (aka keeping us flying UA passengers at low, low rates).

American off-the-street hiring is practically nil, Delta, good luck; Now this CPP thing which is essentially a brake on those wishing to go to UAL. One gains nothing from the CPP program except ‘waiting their turn’ for a guaranteed personality exam that 90% of current UA pilots never took. Add to that the ability for UA personnel to dig into all your records, sick calls etc. since you were hired. I’ve got nothing to hide so I may give it a shot, but it’s essentially a ‘way in’ for UAL, not the other way around.

Apply outside of the CPP, you say? I’d be very curious to know how that’s working out. I’d venture to say very few if any are getting that call.

It’s about control and profit. That’s it. Nothing to do with a few schlubs that every airline has on their list. Terrible choice of career for anyone, really.

Originally Posted by andili61

Is incredible how Mainline wants to control it's hiring. Yet, the same "bad apples" that they want to keep at bay, are flying mainline's regional product. So it's like you're not mainline material, but keep flying our brand and keep representing our interest.

Originally Posted by Bluewaffle

They don’t represent our interests. I’ve flown with my fair share of lifers at ASA that don’t belong in the cockpit of a RJ let alone a 737. I agreee with ALPA for wanting some control of hiring. Nobody at UA (excluding a small number of Coex guys) got here via a flow.

Originally Posted by andili61

Are you United?. You replied "they don't represent our interest". At the end you said "got here via flow"

I may disagree with you, by flying united express, you're are representing United brand. I may agree with you there are pilots pilots that don't belong. Nonetheless, I know plenty of our guys, whose attitudes, demeanor, and skills do not belong to the cockpit and they made to United.

Originally Posted by Bluewaffle

So what's your point? You're saying accept everyone into UA because they already fly an RJ even if they don't belong? You can't have it both ways.

Originally Posted by AboveMins

United does a good enough job of accepting those folks themselves, I've seen them on the news and in the jumpseat plenty of times, and that's not even including some of the vile individuals that somehow managed come over from XJT.

No one is saying anything about accepting everyone without question. I'd assume there would be some sort of probationary period that would assist in weeding those folks out. No pilot group, not even the mighty UAL group, is immune from those individuals who need an escort to the door

At the end of the day, when you subcontract your flying, the folks who the bean counters contract to fly your passengers do represent your operation. Grammy and PeePaw flying from Lake Charles to Amarillo won't have one single mainline United crew take care of them. So, whether these crews "belong" or not is irrelevant, they're still the face of your operation.

Originally Posted by asa rat

So how were any prior mergers in the industry handled?
Interviews? Doubtful.

The silent professional majority far outweigh the few that do not belong, yet exist, at every airline.