Envoy, PSA, and Piedmont don't allow any flow to mainline, they benefit from it.

AA allows it, and AA is APA, not ALPA.

 

I don't think it's an ALPA issue, it's a company culture issue as to the acceptability of flow. I have done a lot of cockpit jumpseat time on American and I haven't heard any particular heartache from their pilots.

I don't have a dog in this fight anymore but I think the results speak for themselves. Which regionals are comparatively doing well with recruitment? Endeavor, because of $$, and then the American regionals with flow. Yes, they're not meeting their numbers either, but by comparison to reiterate.

I really don't think that there is any disproportionate % of bad apples at the regionals as compared with mainline. Maybe now, that hiring standards have dropped so much.

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Gotcha. I misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification.

 

Envoy and PSA are hiring like crazy right now. PSA has a hard cap on classes at 35 per class, and has been filling them for months. Envoy has had classes of well more than 50 per class for months now, with some over 70. PDT...well...PDT is struggling with growth right now and I am pretty sure that they are shrinking even though they could hire hundreds if they were able to get everything in order.

The AA WO are filling classes because they are stable and predictable. Endeavor raised pay, and the AA WO will follow suit and exceed that pay. Someone else will jump up with a big benefit, and the AA WO will again do the same.

The flow helps, but the AA WO also get most of the same benefits as the mainline AA. AA is starting to create a culture of "one" family between regionals and mainline. They have been talking about this for several years, and it is starting to show. Examples:

- Every mainline AA employee gets 2 free positive space tickets anywhere in the world...all WO regional employees are included.

- Every mainline AA employee gets profit sharing...all WO regional employees are included.

- Every mainline AA employee gets $1000 tax check...all WO regional employees are included.

- All AA WO regional employees get the exact same travel benefits as mainline AA employees.

I am very happy that Endeavor raised the bar, and Republic may be following suit. It just means even higher pay at the AA WO in a few months.

 

He said he would get it for us IF he could. He never said it was realistic.

 

LMAO “One” family....I don’t know where you work but it’s not AA. Thanks for the laugh though.

 

Really? AA is APA? Thanks......

 

I can get a golden toilet seat, but that's not realistic either. Why bother saying it. He was trying to make it seem like our work rules and soft time are so extraordinarily good, that we are financially equivalent to endeavor's contract. Which is total BS in my opinion. Our 2 hour DPM and 15 hour 4 day protection is garbage. 100% deadheads and cancellation protection isn't unusual either. The ability to drop days in the ILIW is pretty unusual in regional land, but that too is limited.

 

Hope so, but what reasoning do they have to raise the pay to beyond edv's rates, ot even to match them? You said it yourself, AA wholly owneds are filling classes.

 

Well, no matter what we get in the next contract any “solution” that includes us remaining an Inc subsidiary pretty much means we are done. Heck, they said we are well staffed but we can’t even do swaps on the CRJ side. Always denied due to a lack of coverage, even if we are trying to swap into a time with fewer reserve pilots and more flying.