Yea, I'm so effing tired of hearing how our credit rules are better. They're not. Actually, they suck. No min day other than the measly 2 hour average, no trip or duty rigs. No premiums except occasional red flag, very limited ability for reserves to pick up extra.

I actually went over all my flying for December and I would have credited about 10 hours MORE under Endeavor rules. And at nearly $20/h more than I make now.

I've so had it with this place.

 

Thank you for the info. I missed nothing evidently.

 

Sounds like more tripe from the ATL brain trust. Can't blame them, their job is to keep meat in the seat until we're kicked to the curb by UAL and stInc. Someone on here mentioned that they're proud of everything they've accomplished this past year. I think that if anyone should be proud, it should be the different work groups at XJT. Despite an apparent lack of leadership, a dismal future, dwindling quality of life, and a CPP that most of us have absolutely zero faith in, those work groups stepped up and completed the mission. I doubt there's much of that left in the pilot group. I was cautiously optimistic that there would be a scintilla of good news, but it appears to be more of the same.

Maybe Terry and GW can fly the last few thousand XJT flights before ScumWest pulls the plug, 'cause it seems as if they're the only ones buying the bull scheisse anymore.

 

I know it doesn’t play into your whole “kicked to the curb” story line, but United is very much in need of the Expressjet feed.

 

I think that's true but I don't know if either side's management knows how dire the staffing is going to get as other regionals pull further ahead. I think it'll come to a point where a big number of flights are being cancelled and both UA and Xjet management will be looking around like "wtf happened?". They seem that clueless.

 

If they are that much in need they need to start ponying up the dough NOW. Endeavors 1st year 50 seat FO/CA rates $50/$84. Most junior CA Oct 2017 hire. Time for them to get on board and talk like they mean business.

 

Is that so? Doesn't seem like they need our lift at all, since they've farmed out that flying to the lowest bidder, regardless of reputation or performance. No, it seems like in typical UAL fashion, they want it done as cheap as possible, regardless of who does it. I give this place 18 months before we don't have the manpower to sustain the operation.

 

A bit of history to put things in context.

When Delta bought Comair in 1999, and ASA in 2000, everyone expected a merger and/or a staple. "Flow" was almost unheard of then. The ASA side tried to invoke ALPA merger policy on the floor of the BOD in 2000 and it was killed on the floor, then stuffed into a committee room. After rudimentary negotiations between the MECs, and some unreasonable demands from the senior folks at CMR and ASA, DALPA walked away. Then they instituted strict scope restrictions which limited our career potential. So we sued them for malfeasance and conflict of interest, demanding fair treatment by the union we all pay dues to, and application of ALPA's own merger policy. This lasted about 5 years. The settlement was that ALPA owes the regionals nothing in terms of seniority because they were "wholly owned subsidiaries" and not ever part of the mainline, with no parity in airframes or career expectation. However, the wholly owned regionals were to get "a seat at the table" in all future scope negotiations. ALPA's argument was that it was never a merger of equals.

Now it appears we are seeing this again. Except that ALPA's position hasn't changed. In fact, no ALPA represented pilot group has a flow through agreement. Flow is NOT popular with the MECs OR management because they lose control of hiring. Their argument is that there's A LOT of "undesirables" at the top of the regional airline seniority lists who literally have zero chance of being hired at a legacy due to lack of degrees, bad records, and terrible attitudes. Should these people be given a winning lottery ticket over other pilots who have all their ducks in a row? Is that good for anyone? Probably not. I didn't feel that way in 1999, but I get it now.

And furthermore, if ALPA (national) went back on their statement from the RJDC suit and reversed course, giving a purchased regional seniority, it would seem to negate that whole settlement. An awful lot of CMR and ASA pilots would be owed seniority numbers at DAL and the lawsuits would be tremendous. Ain't gonna happen.

UAL may or may not buy a stake in your company, but the best you will ever be offered is an "enhanced" CPP. Maybe skip the Hogan and get a guaranteed interview. You will NEVER be given straight seniority or even flow. If you want to work for a legacy, the best thing you can do is update your resume, step up your networking, and polish your interview skills. Sitting there waiting to see if something happens might be career suicide. A lot of great pilots spent years on the street or made lateral/backwards moves after we shut down. Your LGA base closing early should be all the sign you need!

Remember, it's easier to find a job when you already have a job.

 

I may be missing something but envoy, Piedmont and PSA are all Alpa and have flow.

 

You make a lot of assumptions. CPP is nothing more than a way to prevent people from leaving; another roadblock so United can maintain their precious feed (aka keeping us flying UA passengers at low, low rates).

American off-the-street hiring is practically nil, Delta, good luck; Now this CPP thing which is essentially a brake on those wishing to go to UAL. One gains nothing from the CPP program except ‘waiting their turn’ for a guaranteed personality exam that a wide majority of current UA pilots never took. Add to that the ability for UA personnel to dig into all your records, sick calls etc. since you were hired. I’ve got nothing to hide so I may give it a shot, but it’s essentially a ‘way in’ for UAL, not the other way around.

Apply outside of the CPP, you say? I’d be very curious to know how that’s working out. I’d venture to say very few if any are getting that call.

It’s about control and profit. That’s it. Nothing to do with a few schlubs that every airline has on their list. Terrible choice of career for anyone, really.

Just my opinion, of course