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Arliss 09-11-2018 06:34 PM
So the TA talking points claims that every pilot should realize a $14K to $15K per year increase with this TA my math is coming up short by half.
Even counting the $5000 retention we received in January as being for the previous year, and only counting the $10000 we're getting next week...

For the typical average credit I fly, I'm currently at $63300. That's pay + typical per diem + typical performance bonus + $10K retention.

Under the new contract I'll make $70600, same way as above.

That's an improvement of $7300, for 14 to 15 thou.

Gordon Axel 09-11-2018 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by Xjtcap (Post 2672000)
XJT ~113.36 / 118.78 10/01/18

Edit:
(Rates with the override factored in)



50 seat rate is better than AWAC and both rates are not far off from endeavor and compass. Not only that but the language in our contract is better than any of them which likely makes up for the small discrepancy in hourly pay.

Republics rates are attractive but their vacation/sick time and 401k matching is all less then ours.

Can you elaborate on the vacation and sick time accrued rates?

Punkpilot48 09-11-2018 06:52 PM
The Skywest owning us thing is no longer part of the TA. “Never supposed to be in there.” No explanation given.

PontiusPilot 09-11-2018 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by Punkpilot48 (Post 2672502)
The Skywest owning us thing is no longer part of the TA. “Never supposed to be in there.” No explanation given.
It's probably because they goofed up in leaving that in there when it was supposed to be confidential. Those words didn't type themselves. I still think it's part of the agreement.

PhantomHawk 09-11-2018 07:31 PM
Originally Posted by Arliss (Post 2672480)
So the TA talking points claims that every pilot should realize a $14K to $15K per year increase with this TA my math is coming up short by half.
Even counting the $5000 retention we received in January as being for the previous year, and only counting the $10000 we're getting next week...

For the typical average credit I fly, I'm currently at $63300. That's pay + typical per diem + typical performance bonus + $10K retention.

Under the new contract I'll make $70600, same way as above.

That's an improvement of $7300, for 14 to 15 thou.
Because the bonuses you are counting for this year aren’t contractual or owed to us in any way. It’s a perk. The “profit sharing” was part of the extension, so it’s fair to include that, but including the bonuses isn’t apples to apples. Plus....you included per diem and performance plus payouts? Did you add those to both sides of the equation?

Arliss 09-11-2018 07:34 PM
Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2672529)
Because the bonuses you are counting for this year aren’t contractual or owed to us in any way. It’s a perk. The “profit sharing” was part of the extension, so it’s fair to include that, but including the bonuses isn’t apples to apples. Plus....you included per diem and performance plus payouts? Did you add those to both sides of the equation?
Yes, yes I did. And I figured that's what they were doing; not counting the $10K we're getting next week because it's not contractual. But it's still income being given to us by the company, so I think they're kinda bending reality a bit.

RemoveB4Flight 09-11-2018 09:59 PM
Originally Posted by Punkpilot48 (Post 2672502)
The Skywest owning us thing is no longer part of the TA. “Never supposed to be in there.” No explanation given.
What does this mean? A retraction?

Punkpilot48 09-12-2018 01:02 AM
Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight (Post 2672597)
What does this mean? A retraction?
I guess so

calmwinds 09-12-2018 03:20 AM
Originally Posted by Punkpilot48 (Post 2672622)
I guess so
Then, don’t count on a UAL purchase then. SKW cannot keep up with staffing the new 175’s they have coming in. They can just transfer 20 UAX 175’s to Xjet and they have solved a 200 pilot problem that they have. And, nothing is changed. I was kinda wondering why it was 20, and not 25, since UAL is adding 25 E175’s.

Still worth passing. Adding to fleet is a good. The 20 CRJ200’s is a positive and the 20 E175’s is a positive. Both of these will drive the upgrade times down and improve the outlook for Xjet.

Blackhawk 09-12-2018 04:50 AM
Originally Posted by calmwinds (Post 2672645)
Then, don’t count on a UAL purchase then. SKW cannot keep up with staffing the new 175’s they have coming in. They can just transfer 20 UAX 175’s to Xjet and they have solved a 200 pilot problem that they have. And, nothing is changed. I was kinda wondering why it was 20, and not 25, since UAL is adding 25 E175’s.

Still worth passing. Adding to fleet is a good. The 20 CRJ200’s is a positive and the 20 E175’s is a positive. Both of these will drive the upgrade times down and improve the outlook for Xjet.
I think the upgrade times will drop dramatically soon. A bunch of senior LASA pilots are leaving, all captains.


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