All crj 200’s gone......
03-03-2019, 10:12 PM
#21
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Position: lav dumper
Posts: 707
Boy, life would be a lot simpler if I could put my head in the sand and drink management's koolaid. The rate of change in total pilot count has definitely slowed, but still trending down.
Xjt pilot count
6/1 - 1865
7/1 - 1824
8/1 - 1769
9/1 - 1687
10/1 - 1642
11/1 - 1597
12/1 - 1541
1/1/2019 - 1502
2/1/19 - 1470
3/1/19 - 1458
Avg net loss (# pilots) per day
june 2018 1.3
july 2018 1.7
aug 2018 2.6
sept 2018 1.5
oct 2018 1.4
nov 2018 1.8
dec 2018 1.2
jan 2019 1.0
feb 2019 0.4
Xjt pilot count
6/1 - 1865
7/1 - 1824
8/1 - 1769
9/1 - 1687
10/1 - 1642
11/1 - 1597
12/1 - 1541
1/1/2019 - 1502
2/1/19 - 1470
3/1/19 - 1458
Avg net loss (# pilots) per day
june 2018 1.3
july 2018 1.7
aug 2018 2.6
sept 2018 1.5
oct 2018 1.4
nov 2018 1.8
dec 2018 1.2
jan 2019 1.0
feb 2019 0.4
Last edited by DirkDiggler; 03-03-2019 at 10:28 PM.
03-04-2019, 03:54 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: Reclined seat
Posts: 629
Originally Posted by afterburn81
Um, really? Net 120? Nothing personal but the fact that you'd even believe that is scary. Just curious, do you work at XJT? Anyone looking at their seniority number and referencing the overall list total would be able to negate this speculation by a long shot.
There is at least a 1-2 month lag time between a change and someone starting class. If we're getting new hires who don't have their ATP, they won't be in a class untill they do the ATP class first which also adds to the time. The negativity is amazing with people. Have we had rough times, hell yes we've had them. But I do believe that we are turning a corner for the better.
03-04-2019, 03:57 AM
#23
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Posts: 579
Originally Posted by wmupilot85
Yes, I do work here. There was 10 new hires in Jan and 23 in Feb. So that's 33 there. 35 new hires in classes in March. Right now, there is scheduled to be 50 in April. So if I can do basic math, 10+23+35+50 = 118.
There is at least a 1-2 month lag time between a change and someone starting class. If we're getting new hires who don't have their ATP, they won't be in a class untill they do the ATP class first which also adds to the time. The negativity is amazing with people. Have we had rough times, hell yes we've had them. But I do believe that we are turning a corner for the better.
There is at least a 1-2 month lag time between a change and someone starting class. If we're getting new hires who don't have their ATP, they won't be in a class untill they do the ATP class first which also adds to the time. The negativity is amazing with people. Have we had rough times, hell yes we've had them. But I do believe that we are turning a corner for the better.
03-04-2019, 04:36 AM
#24
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 171
XJT needs growth to attract applicants. And it has started to show that. There is nowhere else to go right now where you can class up right away, experience no delays in training, fly 85 hours a month, and get paid $50 per hour. Expressjet owns its own simulators and can accommodate two classes of 30-40 simulateously, as they have demonstrated in the past with an AM/PM dual shift schedule. United continues to give more flights than the company can man, and the company can increas the bonus another $20k if it wants.
Graduates of aviation degree schools are applying and interviewing now; where else should they apply if not XJT? Justify your answer.
PSA- 12 month reserve, overstuffed on FOs, light flight time.
Republic- no classes available for the rest of the year.
Endeavor- classes full.
Skywest- classes full through summer.
Commutair- getting fat on FOs, need captains.
I am not up to speed on Envoy or Piedmont. Gojet and Mesa probably meet the criteria above but without the pay of contract. I’m not up to speed on Compass or Horizon, but those are west coast options and I believe compass classes are full too.
Graduates of aviation degree schools are applying and interviewing now; where else should they apply if not XJT? Justify your answer.
PSA- 12 month reserve, overstuffed on FOs, light flight time.
Republic- no classes available for the rest of the year.
Endeavor- classes full.
Skywest- classes full through summer.
Commutair- getting fat on FOs, need captains.
I am not up to speed on Envoy or Piedmont. Gojet and Mesa probably meet the criteria above but without the pay of contract. I’m not up to speed on Compass or Horizon, but those are west coast options and I believe compass classes are full too.
03-04-2019, 07:26 AM
#25
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Position: A320
Posts: 1,308
Originally Posted by wmupilot85
Yes, I do work here. There was 10 new hires in Jan and 23 in Feb. So that's 33 there. 35 new hires in classes in March. Right now, there is scheduled to be 50 in April. So if I can do basic math, 10+23+35+50 = 118.
There is at least a 1-2 month lag time between a change and someone starting class. If we're getting new hires who don't have their ATP, they won't be in a class untill they do the ATP class first which also adds to the time. The negativity is amazing with people. Have we had rough times, hell yes we've had them. But I do believe that we are turning a corner for the better.
There is at least a 1-2 month lag time between a change and someone starting class. If we're getting new hires who don't have their ATP, they won't be in a class untill they do the ATP class first which also adds to the time. The negativity is amazing with people. Have we had rough times, hell yes we've had them. But I do believe that we are turning a corner for the better.
03-04-2019, 07:45 AM
#26
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Position: A320
Posts: 1,308
Originally Posted by SpringLanding
XJT needs growth to attract applicants. And it has started to show that. There is nowhere else to go right now where you can class up right away, experience no delays in training, fly 85 hours a month, and get paid $50 per hour. Expressjet owns its own simulators and can accommodate two classes of 30-40 simulateously, as they have demonstrated in the past with an AM/PM dual shift schedule. United continues to give more flights than the company can man, and the company can increas the bonus another $20k if it wants.
Graduates of aviation degree schools are applying and interviewing now; where else should they apply if not XJT? Justify your answer.
PSA- 12 month reserve, overstuffed on FOs, light flight time.
Republic- no classes available for the rest of the year.
Endeavor- classes full.
Skywest- classes full through summer.
Commutair- getting fat on FOs, need captains.
I am not up to speed on Envoy or Piedmont. Gojet and Mesa probably meet the criteria above but without the pay of contract. I’m not up to speed on Compass or Horizon, but those are west coast options and I believe compass classes are full too.
Graduates of aviation degree schools are applying and interviewing now; where else should they apply if not XJT? Justify your answer.
PSA- 12 month reserve, overstuffed on FOs, light flight time.
Republic- no classes available for the rest of the year.
Endeavor- classes full.
Skywest- classes full through summer.
Commutair- getting fat on FOs, need captains.
I am not up to speed on Envoy or Piedmont. Gojet and Mesa probably meet the criteria above but without the pay of contract. I’m not up to speed on Compass or Horizon, but those are west coast options and I believe compass classes are full too.
I do know however that ExpressJet has 2 simulators of their own. 2 E145 sims in IAH. To my knowledge they don’t “own” the 175 sims in STL.
Where do you get the running 2 classes of 30-40 simultaneously from lol? Have you seen the instructor attrition lately? I was getting typed in IAH 2 months ago and had 3 lessons canceled due to no instructor. We went through 2 ground instructors. Both left during our training. There were 13 of us in transition training and the company had us bouncing back and fourth from IAH to STL to HOU. That was with 13 transition guys. Not even initial training. There was one class of 2 new hires at that time and the usual AQP classes. It took 2 months to get through the transition.
Just painting a picture of my experiences. For anyone that wants to hear about the current state of the company. Make your own predictions.
03-04-2019, 08:22 AM
#27
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Posts: 230
Originally Posted by SpringLanding
Graduates of aviation degree schools are applying and interviewing now; where else should they apply if not XJT? Justify your answer.
These graduates of Aviation Degree Schools are the kind of pilots who have LEGACY Airlines in their mind. Not the dopey regionals. They are the pilots who, when choosing a regional, will sacrifice QOL, Money, Schedules, Domiciles, etc to get to their quals up to get hired at their Airline of Choice As Soon As Possible.
They are the ones who have the most potential in their career trajectories should they reach their Legacy Airline of Choice.
And they are also the pilots with the MOST TO LOSE if they capitulate to short term happiness and comfort of being a big fish in a small pond when picking a regional. They know those who do that often find themselves 10-15 years later at the same regional in their mid thirties, making 80-100k a year when if they had stayed hungry and focused on their career path and not their regional job they could have been at a Legacy in their late 20s and pulling in 200-250k a year now.
It's no secret that a degree from a University with a respected Aviation Program is a +1 on the legacy applications. They don't pay 200k for their degree to then get comfortable at ExpressJet. They'll tactically apply to the regional airlines that will shotgun them through the regional job and to their legacy career with the best efficiency.
03-04-2019, 09:46 AM
#29
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 171
Originally Posted by popcopy
The Aviation College Grad is a special demographic in the pilot pool and the reason they choose a certain regional isn't because that regional has the best contract/training footprint/domiciles.
These graduates of Aviation Degree Schools are the kind of pilots who have LEGACY Airlines in their mind. Not the dopey regionals. They are the pilots who, when choosing a regional, will sacrifice QOL, Money, Schedules, Domiciles, etc to get to their quals up to get hired at their Airline of Choice As Soon As Possible.
They are the ones who have the most potential in their career trajectories should they reach their Legacy Airline of Choice.
And they are also the pilots with the MOST TO LOSE if they capitulate to short term happiness and comfort of being a big fish in a small pond when picking a regional. They know those who do that often find themselves 10-15 years later at the same regional in their mid thirties, making 80-100k a year when if they had stayed hungry and focused on their career path and not their regional job they could have been at a Legacy in their late 20s and pulling in 200-250k a year now.
It's no secret that a degree from a University with a respected Aviation Program is a +1 on the legacy applications. They don't pay 200k for their degree to then get comfortable at ExpressJet. They'll tactically apply to the regional airlines that will shotgun them through the regional job and to their legacy career with the best efficiency.
These graduates of Aviation Degree Schools are the kind of pilots who have LEGACY Airlines in their mind. Not the dopey regionals. They are the pilots who, when choosing a regional, will sacrifice QOL, Money, Schedules, Domiciles, etc to get to their quals up to get hired at their Airline of Choice As Soon As Possible.
They are the ones who have the most potential in their career trajectories should they reach their Legacy Airline of Choice.
And they are also the pilots with the MOST TO LOSE if they capitulate to short term happiness and comfort of being a big fish in a small pond when picking a regional. They know those who do that often find themselves 10-15 years later at the same regional in their mid thirties, making 80-100k a year when if they had stayed hungry and focused on their career path and not their regional job they could have been at a Legacy in their late 20s and pulling in 200-250k a year now.
It's no secret that a degree from a University with a respected Aviation Program is a +1 on the legacy applications. They don't pay 200k for their degree to then get comfortable at ExpressJet. They'll tactically apply to the regional airlines that will shotgun them through the regional job and to their legacy career with the best efficiency.
03-04-2019, 09:50 AM
#30
Standby Reserve at LGA
Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 171
Originally Posted by afterburn81
If I’m not mistaken, ExpressJet first year pay is $40?
I do know however that ExpressJet has 2 simulators of their own. 2 E145 sims in IAH. To my knowledge they don’t “own” the 175 sims in STL.
Where do you get the running 2 classes of 30-40 simultaneously from lol? Have you seen the instructor attrition lately? I was getting typed in IAH 2 months ago and had 3 lessons canceled due to no instructor. We went through 2 ground instructors. Both left during our training. There were 13 of us in transition training and the company had us bouncing back and fourth from IAH to STL to HOU. That was with 13 transition guys. Not even initial training. There was one class of 2 new hires at that time and the usual AQP classes. It took 2 months to get through the transition.
Just painting a picture of my experiences. For anyone that wants to hear about the current state of the company. Make your own predictions.
I do know however that ExpressJet has 2 simulators of their own. 2 E145 sims in IAH. To my knowledge they don’t “own” the 175 sims in STL.
Where do you get the running 2 classes of 30-40 simultaneously from lol? Have you seen the instructor attrition lately? I was getting typed in IAH 2 months ago and had 3 lessons canceled due to no instructor. We went through 2 ground instructors. Both left during our training. There were 13 of us in transition training and the company had us bouncing back and fourth from IAH to STL to HOU. That was with 13 transition guys. Not even initial training. There was one class of 2 new hires at that time and the usual AQP classes. It took 2 months to get through the transition.
Just painting a picture of my experiences. For anyone that wants to hear about the current state of the company. Make your own predictions.
An expressjet instructor told me about when they had AM and PM shift classes. My point was that they have the space and institutional capacity to train volumes more than they are now.
Yes, as it stands, they had such lack of interest that last year there was a second career type who had to redo every sim something like four times but they kept him on because there wasn’t anyone else to train.
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