The Deal's Not Done
08-30-2019 | 04:35 AM
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Yes, because someone bypassed they are sure to bypass again. Not so much. There's a very good reason many have bypassed and that is because we don't hold continuous upgrade classes like the vast majority of airlines. Some have been on reserve as captains for YEARS. Many who have bypassed will likely choose to upgrade once things finally start moving. The next upgrade class isn't for months.
You will not upgrade at 1,000hrs. It only takes 18 months or so to hit that many hours. The most junior upgrade is 3 yrs, and that's in EWR. The rest are all around 10 (ORD) or 12 yrs (IAH). That will come down to around 4-5 yrs but that's not upgrading right away. Stop selling ferry tales.
You will not upgrade at 1,000hrs. It only takes 18 months or so to hit that many hours. The most junior upgrade is 3 yrs, and that's in EWR. The rest are all around 10 (ORD) or 12 yrs (IAH). That will come down to around 4-5 yrs but that's not upgrading right away. Stop selling ferry tales.
08-30-2019 | 05:50 AM
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That might be true but what’s the seniority of pilots awarded other bases?
08-30-2019 | 06:16 AM
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08-30-2019 | 07:40 AM
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Just a friendly reminder that XJT is a contract airline that united pays for each departure. Keeping our labor cost down in order to increase profit margin is a Mana Air decision, not a United decision. There is a lot of talk about United owes us better QOL, or better pay. They pay our boss a fee for each departure. They do not set our pay rates or agree to our work rule demands. Mana Air does.
The CEO owns a majority of the company and has incentive to make as much profit as possible, because he 1) could sell his 51% stake for much more than what it was purchased for and 2) get a job as a major airline executive or stakeholder as he would have then turned around two regional companies from struggling to growing and profitable.
The CEO owns a majority of the company and has incentive to make as much profit as possible, because he 1) could sell his 51% stake for much more than what it was purchased for and 2) get a job as a major airline executive or stakeholder as he would have then turned around two regional companies from struggling to growing and profitable.
08-30-2019 | 07:44 AM
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There is a 4/14 seniority captain sitting at the bottom but they traded in.
Do another bid and bring the numbers down more. Until then it's all talk.
08-30-2019 | 08:24 AM
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Nope, that's not an award silly. It's a base trade. The last bid was 19-04 and the most junior captain had a seniority of 12yrs and 6 months. Period. That's the facts.
There is a 4/14 seniority captain sitting at the bottom but they traded in.
Do another bid and bring the numbers down more. Until then it's all talk.
There is a 4/14 seniority captain sitting at the bottom but they traded in.
Do another bid and bring the numbers down more. Until then it's all talk.
Why are you splitting hairs? What difference does it make to a new hire the route one takes to get to where they are?
08-30-2019 | 08:48 AM
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The base trade award is between two pilots. It negates all seniority and is an end around. It's great if it works, but it's a total outlier and nothing that someone can plan for.
Comparing a base trade to a system bid is not splitting hairs. Just lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pks7q2qyM-s
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08-30-2019 | 09:08 AM
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FlyRight was right, you are a used car salesman.
The base trade award is between two pilots. It negates all seniority and is a end around. It's great if it works, but it's a total outlier and nothing that someone can plan for.
Comparing a base trade to a system bid is not splitting hairs. Just lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pks7q2qyM-s
The base trade award is between two pilots. It negates all seniority and is a end around. It's great if it works, but it's a total outlier and nothing that someone can plan for.
Comparing a base trade to a system bid is not splitting hairs. Just lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pks7q2qyM-s
I can see this is an issue you feel very strongly about. I’m simply asking you to please convey the relevance.
08-30-2019 | 04:28 PM
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Wow, this just gets better and better. Finally an MEC with some cajones.
30 August 2019
On December 13, 2018, the Association and the company put ink to paper and signed the all-to-well-known document titled Letter 2. Your MEC leadership and your Negotiating Committee (NC) have been steadfast working to bring the company to the table to finish what was started nearly one year ago. We have made proposals and met each opportunity management negotiators have made themselves available. But here we are. Still waiting for the resolution of Letter 2 negotiations.
This week your MEC officers, and Negotiating Committee volunteers took part in director-level meetings at ALPA national's new Valo Park location in McLean, VA. This two-day session included the director-level staff from Communications, Representation, and Legal, the ALPA Resource Coordinator, social media team, and others who rounded out the ALPA support staff that will assist us during our communications campaign to resolve Letter 2. During this meeting we created a multi-faceted and extremely robust social media plan targeting potential new hire pilots, which will educate them on life at XJT. We want to let them know if they contemplate XJT as their destination, they might want to investigate an alternate. This plan includes social media outreach, mailings, geo fencing, geo targeting, advertisements both digital and print, as well as face-to-face communication. This plan will officially launch on Tuesday, September 3, 2019 and once in motion will not stop until we are successful at restoring ExpressJet to a respectable operation.
On Tuesday, the NC and I will meet with (redacted) at the Ford and Harrison offices in Midtown Atlanta to begin, what we anticipate to be, meaningful talks. At this meeting we plan to set the stage for what we expect to transpire over the next 90 days to culminate on the one-year anniversary of the signing of Letter 2. We will be looking for daily progress, not weekly or monthly. We will be looking to provide solutions to the growing problems our operation faces. We will reiterate that our goals and management's goals are aligned and that restoring ExpressJet to a carrier we can be proud of and recommend to others is important to us. We have reason to believe that United Airlines will be interested in the solutions we have to provide, see that we are reasonable, and see that our vision for ExpressJet is one that will ensure our success as their most invested regional partner.
30 August 2019
On December 13, 2018, the Association and the company put ink to paper and signed the all-to-well-known document titled Letter 2. Your MEC leadership and your Negotiating Committee (NC) have been steadfast working to bring the company to the table to finish what was started nearly one year ago. We have made proposals and met each opportunity management negotiators have made themselves available. But here we are. Still waiting for the resolution of Letter 2 negotiations.
This week your MEC officers, and Negotiating Committee volunteers took part in director-level meetings at ALPA national's new Valo Park location in McLean, VA. This two-day session included the director-level staff from Communications, Representation, and Legal, the ALPA Resource Coordinator, social media team, and others who rounded out the ALPA support staff that will assist us during our communications campaign to resolve Letter 2. During this meeting we created a multi-faceted and extremely robust social media plan targeting potential new hire pilots, which will educate them on life at XJT. We want to let them know if they contemplate XJT as their destination, they might want to investigate an alternate. This plan includes social media outreach, mailings, geo fencing, geo targeting, advertisements both digital and print, as well as face-to-face communication. This plan will officially launch on Tuesday, September 3, 2019 and once in motion will not stop until we are successful at restoring ExpressJet to a respectable operation.
On Tuesday, the NC and I will meet with (redacted) at the Ford and Harrison offices in Midtown Atlanta to begin, what we anticipate to be, meaningful talks. At this meeting we plan to set the stage for what we expect to transpire over the next 90 days to culminate on the one-year anniversary of the signing of Letter 2. We will be looking for daily progress, not weekly or monthly. We will be looking to provide solutions to the growing problems our operation faces. We will reiterate that our goals and management's goals are aligned and that restoring ExpressJet to a carrier we can be proud of and recommend to others is important to us. We have reason to believe that United Airlines will be interested in the solutions we have to provide, see that we are reasonable, and see that our vision for ExpressJet is one that will ensure our success as their most invested regional partner.
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