The Deal's Not Done
09-20-2019 | 05:18 AM
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From: It's a plane and it's a seat
09-20-2019 | 05:43 AM
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Scope is tied to narrow body jets to protect us from the big shrink during a recession. Over the last 20+ years the majors have given away scope piece by piece. If we could, we’d gut the regional flying overnight and bring it back to mainline, but that’s not a realistic possibility. This is about bringing the flying back, growing mainline, and shrinking the regionals as fast as we can. The company put scope on the table, but the union and pilot group have made it very clear that it isn’t for sale at any price. Under our current contract the company has the option to provide more rj’s, they just don’t want to right now. They’re hoping we cave, meanwhile the orders for 100 seat jets stack up.
09-20-2019 | 08:00 AM
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09-20-2019 | 08:33 AM
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But what you forget is the large influx of regional pilots at the legacies who saw what scope does to career progression. Then the folks that were furloughed while the regionals hired like crazy. It’s a different world now.
09-20-2019 | 09:58 AM
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I've had this scope conversation several times over the last year with the Captains I've flown with at United. Even the ones that have no regional background or that haven't been at a regional in a decade or more agree with this sentiment. Coming from a regional within the last couple of years I can say I wholly feel this way about scope.
These Captains who have seen their careers adversely affected by scope relief combined with those that have come from the regionals equates to a big fat NO.
09-20-2019 | 03:40 PM
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sorry, not my intent. It was to get people to think outside the box, anticipate what kind of things may be coming down the pipe. Maybe someone on here inadvertently comes up with an idea that could work.
Good thoughts so far everyone, just trying to think of possibilities mgmt could be kicking around. They want more large rj's, is there anything preventing them from saying ok- we'll give you your new 100 seater, get our large rj's, and then we're going to park the entire 757/767 fleet, shift the domestic 777's to international to cover some of that international flying and JV/Codeshare out the rest of the international flying (becoming more like DL- a domestic-ish airline). Drinking beer and watching football that workaround took 10 seconds to think of, imagine what MBA’s and lawyers who get paid to do this can think of. So the unintended consequence of forcing them to buy a NSNB, (maybe during the next downturn, maybe before) is all of those 756 guys bump down to the 737 & airbus and the 737/airbus guys get bumped to the NSNB. In this scenario, the unintended consequence of protecting your pilot job is that you are stuck in a much lower paying job now. So now do you wish you had created some outside the box solution to protect the total number of mainline airframes/widebody airframes/narrowbody airframes...etc. that let mgmt use 700's&319's instead of forcing a NSNB on them? I'm not saying anyone on here knows for sure if this kind of thing is going on, but i'd bet my 401K that mgmt has multiple of these type of options mapped out at their disposal. Don't want anyone to fall for some heads I win, tails you loose shenanigans.
I guess my overarching point is that if you're not thinking ahead, you're already behind........ or whatever chess vs. checkers, where'd my wallet go? saying you like
Good thoughts so far everyone, just trying to think of possibilities mgmt could be kicking around. They want more large rj's, is there anything preventing them from saying ok- we'll give you your new 100 seater, get our large rj's, and then we're going to park the entire 757/767 fleet, shift the domestic 777's to international to cover some of that international flying and JV/Codeshare out the rest of the international flying (becoming more like DL- a domestic-ish airline). Drinking beer and watching football that workaround took 10 seconds to think of, imagine what MBA’s and lawyers who get paid to do this can think of. So the unintended consequence of forcing them to buy a NSNB, (maybe during the next downturn, maybe before) is all of those 756 guys bump down to the 737 & airbus and the 737/airbus guys get bumped to the NSNB. In this scenario, the unintended consequence of protecting your pilot job is that you are stuck in a much lower paying job now. So now do you wish you had created some outside the box solution to protect the total number of mainline airframes/widebody airframes/narrowbody airframes...etc. that let mgmt use 700's&319's instead of forcing a NSNB on them? I'm not saying anyone on here knows for sure if this kind of thing is going on, but i'd bet my 401K that mgmt has multiple of these type of options mapped out at their disposal. Don't want anyone to fall for some heads I win, tails you loose shenanigans.
I guess my overarching point is that if you're not thinking ahead, you're already behind........ or whatever chess vs. checkers, where'd my wallet go? saying you like
09-20-2019 | 09:42 PM
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The union publicly started they want to tie scope to narrow AND wide bodies. You’d be a fool to think it will happen without some give on quantity.
09-21-2019 | 12:23 PM
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