The Deal's Not Done
11-18-2019 | 11:08 AM
#411
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I get it man. For one, you don’t get me. And I share similar views with many.
I get your view. Totally. I personally would NEVER agree to using a PBS process that works the way this pref bid thing works. It’s garbage at best. I was so confused when using it for the first time. You can be close to the most senior relief line holder and it ignores all logic within your preferences. Some crazy magic going on behind the scenes. There’s a lot of company control going on in the frame work. That’s NOT the PBS ex-CRJ guys are used to.
So yes - the apples to apples argument fails in many ways. All people that used the Flica version of PBS under that contract know that the company absolutely hated it. It favored the pilot group in so many ways.
PBS is coming. Regardless of what people may think. The ex- CRJ guys that have seen the good, the bad and the ugly are a good gauge of what should be acceptable and what is not when it comes to bidding. They fought for the system that was used for years. And it was far superior to any PBS software that has been introduced to the original ERJ group in the past.
We need some unity. Some trust in each other. The fact that years later we are still at each other’s throats over PBS gives management that much more leverage over us.
I get your view. Totally. I personally would NEVER agree to using a PBS process that works the way this pref bid thing works. It’s garbage at best. I was so confused when using it for the first time. You can be close to the most senior relief line holder and it ignores all logic within your preferences. Some crazy magic going on behind the scenes. There’s a lot of company control going on in the frame work. That’s NOT the PBS ex-CRJ guys are used to.
So yes - the apples to apples argument fails in many ways. All people that used the Flica version of PBS under that contract know that the company absolutely hated it. It favored the pilot group in so many ways.
PBS is coming. Regardless of what people may think. The ex- CRJ guys that have seen the good, the bad and the ugly are a good gauge of what should be acceptable and what is not when it comes to bidding. They fought for the system that was used for years. And it was far superior to any PBS software that has been introduced to the original ERJ group in the past.
We need some unity. Some trust in each other. The fact that years later we are still at each other’s throats over PBS gives management that much more leverage over us.
PBS is NOT coming unless the company can provide other substantial gains in which they are very unlikely to do so. The same people (including yourself) have said this same statement for years.
LOL that you think only CRJ guys are the voices of reason and everyone else knows nothing. Again, the statement I said earlier about a select few people who give a bad name to the rest. At least one of the main toxic forum warriors on the ASA side has since come back down to reality and is working well with the union. Maybe he can talk some sense into you guys.
This has nothing to do with unity or trust. It's the ASA pilots who have come to this side after all their planes are gone still demanding we change to their bidding system among a litany of other things. Guess what, we outnumber you 2 to 1. We don't have to do any such thing.
I hear Endeavor has an Atlanta base, they fly CRJ's and they use Flica. A match made in heaven no?
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11-18-2019 | 11:53 AM
#412
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11-18-2019 | 12:03 PM
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What you fail to realize is that you experienced a top-shelf PBS when the airline was staffed; in some cases over-staffed. I was there too— believe me I’d love a return to those days.
That ship has sailed. You will be working 90+ hours a month in perpetuity. Flightline, vacation low, and reasonable credit windows are all gone and no language can replace them. Minimum staffing levels? Please.
Learn to use the line bidding and improvement windows to their full extent and do not wish upon the rest of us what is essentially a tool for enhanced abuse so you can get your two favorite NFL game days off. Thanks
That ship has sailed. You will be working 90+ hours a month in perpetuity. Flightline, vacation low, and reasonable credit windows are all gone and no language can replace them. Minimum staffing levels? Please.
Learn to use the line bidding and improvement windows to their full extent and do not wish upon the rest of us what is essentially a tool for enhanced abuse so you can get your two favorite NFL game days off. Thanks
11-18-2019 | 12:51 PM
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SJ, you and I probably agree on 98% of the things we would like to see on our new contract.
But then you throw in the smart a$$ Endeavor comment.
Come on brother lets be a little more professional.
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11-18-2019 | 01:00 PM
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Both sides need to dial it back.
11-18-2019 | 02:18 PM
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Agree, this topic has ran it's course. There's no more point talking about it if/until the company puts something fourth with the letter 2 negotiations.
01-23-2020 | 03:43 AM
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Does the union still ask us to wear the light blue lanyards? I haven't really heard anything about the letter, or anything for a while. Do new hires get a lanyard and briefing on letter two, or was this just a 2019 thing? Is the deal done?
01-23-2020 | 09:08 AM
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We got nothing in NH class while back, Union rep came in and didn’t even mention a lick of letter 2
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