FlyRight2876

Anything can change but as it sits there will be no quick upgrade here anytime soon. I honestly hope that changes but only time will tell. Funny you're projecting things 5-6 yrs out when that is an eternity in this business. There is no certainty. With the current climate and plan here those projections are just patently false.

One thing is certain in the fact that you are not a new hire, nor even a pilot. So to continue propagating this falsity to gain the trust of actual pilots is very unethical on your part.

We don't need outright lies and propaganda to get new hires here. We need improved work conditions, pay, QOL and career progression of some sort. Expressjet has been working towards the bottom in all those metrics.

It's no coincidence that the UAL exclusive feeders are all struggling to find pilots. Many offer poor contracts, pay and QOL. Reason being is United is the last of the three carriers to continue the wipsaw like the old days. Delta & American are all reducing their carriers in an effort to improve their product and streamline staffing. United is content to have 8+ carriers all fighting against each other just to scrap by.

Delta and American all brought new contracts and pay to their feeders while United has reneged on their promise and is content to fire up the wipsaw once again.

"Last year, upon ratification of Contract 2018, the company made a promise to us in Letter 2 that they don't intend to keep. While we overwhelmingly ratified our contract with the expectation of further investment from the company through Letter 2 negotiations, we are learning management currently has no plan to follow through. In this update, we will discuss the overall negotiations process, who we negotiate with, and the status of current negotiations.

Your XJT Negotiating Committee (NC) is comprised of three volunteers: two members and a chairman. Cleveland line check pilot Captain Ivan Harris is the chairman of the Negotiating Committee. Chicago-based First Officer Robert Perryman and Newark-based First Officer Christopher Cadiz serve as committee members. All three NC members are full-time ALPA volunteers whose primary duties are to collect data, conduct extensive research and devise a strategy for negotiations with management. We present our ideas, findings, and the outcome of our discussions with management to the XJT MEC (your elected representatives and officers). We operate with direction from the MEC.

In addition, ALPA provides us with an abundance of resources. They employ individuals who specialize in economics, retirement and insurance, collective bargaining, contract enforcement, safety, security, and many, many more. A very important asset on the NC is our ALPA attorney, Erin Shields. She has decades of experience both in private practice, as well as ALPA work. Erin meets with us in ATL or IAH to provide advice on legal, negotiation tactics, as well as past experience. We also use ALPA's Economics & Financial Analysis department to cost out proposals and individual items.

Our meetings with management typically take place with Vice President of Flight Operations Greg Wooley, Director of Flight Operations Darrin Grubel, and Director of Crew Support John Kane. While these three individuals are presently working as managers, they are also captains on our pilot seniority list who started at either legacy ASA or XJT.

Greg, Darrin, and John are always open to meeting with us when we request a meeting with them. During these meetings, we discuss operational and training department issues and present solutions to help remedy these challenges, improve quality of life, and/or improve the efficiency of the operation in a way that benefits both the company and the pilot group.

Letter 2, an integral part of Contract 2018, is an agreement between the Association and XJT management to return to negotiations "shortly after" Contract 2018 was ratified in order to continue negotiations for those areas of the contract that management did not have time to explore prior to ratification (as we have explained in recent communications). Letter 2 is not an exhaustive list, but it is more or less a placeholder to allow for continued negotiations after contract ratification and the purchase was complete.

Since the beginning of this year, your NC has met with management 14 times: January 2nd and 29th, February 12th, 20th, 25th and 26th, March 11th, April 9th and 17th, and May 1st, 14th, 15th, 21st and 22nd. At our April 17th meeting, we passed management a proposal for what we are calling Pilot Notification. The Pilot Notification proposal discusses what is and is not proper notification for reassignment, as well as who is and is not authorized to notify a pilot of a change to their schedule. This proposal also encompassed possible methods by which pilots could be notified by ACARS and our EFBs. Your MEC and NC fully understand that either of these means of notification must be accompanied by gains for the pilot group (that would in turn bring our contract in line with our peers in the industry who are constantly raising the bar), and therefore the Pilot Notification proposal carries a hefty price tag for the company.

We attempted continued discussions with the company about Pilot Notification on May 1st, 14th, 15th, 21st and 22nd. However, despite their promise to negotiate in Letter 2, management has clearly expressed to us that they expect to receive contractual benefits without monetarily investing anything into the pilot group in return. This comes at a time when other airlines (Piedmont and PSA, for example) are investing significantly into their pilot groups in order to improve their operations, while we scramble to cover too much flying with too few pilots. We can't let management forget that THE DEAL'S NOT DONE!

FlyRight2876

This^ Excellently explained.

He's not even a company guy. This is literally management.

SpringLanding

"meaning no *documented* and *unexcused* occurrence of the following in a rolling twelve (12) month period while employed by ExpressJet:”

K. So excused absenses are not punitive.

United: we will offer you a special track to get hired here, called the CPP. However, if you want to participate, you have to allow us to see your training, disciplinary, and work history.

Pilot: I am going to sue you for this affront! This amounts to punishment for being sick!

United: you do not have to agree to this or participate, and you will have the same chance as every other street hire.

Pilot: I'm going to file a grievance!

Not saying that response is how it is, just how some of you act.

FlyRight2876

"Dependability – A complete dependability history (excused and unexcused occurrences) will be reviewed by United’ BOR."

It does say no unexcused later on but that may be a typo.

There is no lawsuit or grievance filed. The AA and NY thing is a different matter and should not be confused.

CPPfacts

The CPP is a scam. Very low percentage move on via the CPP. It’s time to call a spade a spade.

DoSomePilotStuf

Could not agree more. It is a carrot on a stick to compete for new hires against companies with flow. It has the unfortunate side effect of keeping lifers on property chasing the carrot. Would be so much better if they would ditch the joke. New hires interested in flow go to AA WOs. New hires looking for immediate class dates with lots of flying go to XJT. They don’t give a crap about the CPP.

Av8tor8710

CPP or flow wont matter in a few years with the retirements coming up. Interviewing with XJT this week. All I’m really worried about is upgrade times at XJT. Would like to see 14-18months or 1000hrs with company like majority of other places but some I see on different threads say upgrade times will remain high unfortunately,3-5yrs maybe longer maybe not at all. Big negative. Needs to change, that and better pay. Outsider looking in 🤷*♂️ I think XJT is still a great place.

airlinepilot50

With only a small percentage of pilots passing the final review board at United, what happens to the rejects? You expect rejects to provide better service to United’s passengers? How about encouraging a program that incentivizes pilots not to call in sick, like bonuses and payouts? Management threatening pilots never turns out good for that airline.

FlyRight2876

That's United for ya. They have:

-Commutair
-Expressjet
-TSA
-Air Wisconsin
-Gojet
-Skywest
-Republic
-Mesa

The whipsaw as well as threats and intimidation are alive and well with United. This is the regional playbook from like circa 2012-13.

CPPfacts

So we fly United passengers in United owned aircraft, yet we aren’t “good enough” to be United pilots. Only HR people can’t see the mistake in that logic. Makes absolutely no sense.