Yo-Nited CPP
08-01-2019, 03:38 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by airlinepilot50
Flynd94,
It appears you have a tendency to defend United over Expressjet pilots. Why?
It appears you have a tendency to defend United over Expressjet pilots. Why?
There are guidelines to the CPP and there not hard to follow. I had sick calls, got a doctors note. Stayed out of the CPO unless I was there to assist another pilot. Updated my app monthly, did union work and professional development to show I wasn’t satisfied with the status quo. Also to make myself more marketable to other companies.
All of the motivated pilots I know who didn’t make it through the CPP are at JB, DAL, UPS, FEDEX, SWA and Spirit.
Get busy living or get busy dying
08-02-2019, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by flynd94
I have (Xjet pilot myself on LOA) who passed and failed the CPP. I get tired of my fellow pilots blaming everyone. Yes some DB’s made it through the process but for many of us it was the only way into UA.
There are guidelines to the CPP and there not hard to follow. I had sick calls, got a doctors note. Stayed out of the CPO unless I was there to assist another pilot. Updated my app monthly, did union work and professional development to show I wasn’t satisfied with the status quo. Also to make myself more marketable to other companies.
All of the motivated pilots I know who didn’t make it through the CPP are at JB, DAL, UPS, FEDEX, SWA and Spirit.
Get busy living or get busy dying
There are guidelines to the CPP and there not hard to follow. I had sick calls, got a doctors note. Stayed out of the CPO unless I was there to assist another pilot. Updated my app monthly, did union work and professional development to show I wasn’t satisfied with the status quo. Also to make myself more marketable to other companies.
All of the motivated pilots I know who didn’t make it through the CPP are at JB, DAL, UPS, FEDEX, SWA and Spirit.
Get busy living or get busy dying
08-02-2019, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by airlinepilot50
I get it that you have a dislike for pilots that complain. It’s best to keep it to yourself and not give ammunition to the likes of United. It’s about standing together collectively as a pilot union. You and even I do not know every pilots situation that causes them to complain, call in sick, be different, and not be liked by others. But, we know that they are responsible for flying your family and United’s passengers. United should be supportive of their non-mainline pilots if they honestly cared about safety and customer service.
The reason new hires come to a regional, any regional, is to build time and move on. New hires coming to XJT right now are 95%+ of the opinion that the company is growing, that they are in on the front end of a hiring wave and that growth will lead to faster upgrades and that we will be hired at the majors after a few thousand hours at XJT.
The only way we are on the front end of a wave is if hiring continues. When union supporters or union leaders come on here and tell potential recruits how bad it is and how they should not come here, it works against why we are here to begin with. When you make that decision, it is YOU who is dividing the pilot group.
We are all prepared to make $3 per hour less than other regional pilots and have a rolled day off here and there. We have the mentality that we are here to make a few sacrifices and move on to better QOL down the road.
Now, we are all on board with having better QOL during our short time at XJT. We are fully supportive of the senior pilot group and their quest for better QOL, to a point. When you rant and rave about how terrible the company is and how horrible management is in an effort to discourage pilots from coming here, you lose our support. PERIOD
We all know pilots who are out flying the line not only at XJT but at other regionals as well. Those on here complaining are definitely the minority. By a very wide margin.
So please, wear your lanyards, be angry, get mad and complain standing around in the crew room, whatever. But understand trying to make a public spectacle about how bad things are at XJT and how everyone hates it here is not only false, it is divisive. You are the ones creating the divide.
08-02-2019, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by flynd94
I have (Xjet pilot myself on LOA) who passe
All of the motivated pilots I know who didn’t make it through the CPP are at JB, DAL, UPS, FEDEX, SWA and Spirit.
All of the motivated pilots I know who didn’t make it through the CPP are at JB, DAL, UPS, FEDEX, SWA and Spirit.
08-03-2019, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by AboveMins
I wonder how many folks gave up other opportunities, and seniority at worthwhile carriers while the people at United were busy with their circle jerk trying to get this program going. My decision to stick it out cost me at least a few hundred thousand dollars, and a delayed upgrade now. No love lost though, since the CPP left me with such a bad taste in my mouth that I'd rather take a job at Home Depot than ever fly a blue waffle tail for a living. A lot of people I know feel the same way.
I hope you are working on an effective exit plan. Delaying upgrade is never a smart move. The days of waiting for your base of choice or ability to hold a line are gone. Legacy carriers want to see career progression.
08-03-2019, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
I’m just gonna throw this out there... You say to stand united as a pilots union. I want to put something in perspective.
The reason new hires come to a regional, any regional, is to build time and move on. New hires coming to XJT right now are 95%+ of the opinion that the company is growing, that they are in on the front end of a hiring wave and that growth will lead to faster upgrades and that we will be hired at the majors after a few thousand hours at XJT.
The only way we are on the front end of a wave is if hiring continues. When union supporters or union leaders come on here and tell potential recruits how bad it is and how they should not come here, it works against why we are here to begin with. When you make that decision, it is YOU who is dividing the pilot group.
We are all prepared to make $3 per hour less than other regional pilots and have a rolled day off here and there. We have the mentality that we are here to make a few sacrifices and move on to better QOL down the road.
Now, we are all on board with having better QOL during our short time at XJT. We are fully supportive of the senior pilot group and their quest for better QOL, to a point. When you rant and rave about how terrible the company is and how horrible management is in an effort to discourage pilots from coming here, you lose our support. PERIOD
We all know pilots who are out flying the line not only at XJT but at other regionals as well. Those on here complaining are definitely the minority. By a very wide margin.
So please, wear your lanyards, be angry, get mad and complain standing around in the crew room, whatever. But understand trying to make a public spectacle about how bad things are at XJT and how everyone hates it here is not only false, it is divisive. You are the ones creating the divide.
The reason new hires come to a regional, any regional, is to build time and move on. New hires coming to XJT right now are 95%+ of the opinion that the company is growing, that they are in on the front end of a hiring wave and that growth will lead to faster upgrades and that we will be hired at the majors after a few thousand hours at XJT.
The only way we are on the front end of a wave is if hiring continues. When union supporters or union leaders come on here and tell potential recruits how bad it is and how they should not come here, it works against why we are here to begin with. When you make that decision, it is YOU who is dividing the pilot group.
We are all prepared to make $3 per hour less than other regional pilots and have a rolled day off here and there. We have the mentality that we are here to make a few sacrifices and move on to better QOL down the road.
Now, we are all on board with having better QOL during our short time at XJT. We are fully supportive of the senior pilot group and their quest for better QOL, to a point. When you rant and rave about how terrible the company is and how horrible management is in an effort to discourage pilots from coming here, you lose our support. PERIOD
We all know pilots who are out flying the line not only at XJT but at other regionals as well. Those on here complaining are definitely the minority. By a very wide margin.
So please, wear your lanyards, be angry, get mad and complain standing around in the crew room, whatever. But understand trying to make a public spectacle about how bad things are at XJT and how everyone hates it here is not only false, it is divisive. You are the ones creating the divide.
08-03-2019, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by airlinepilot50
No, it’s people like you hurting our airline. You really don’t get it, do you? I said we need to be supportive of our pilot group and help them succeed. I also said United has a role in supporting our pilots through career advancement. Why don’t you believe all of our pilots deserve respect and support?
08-03-2019, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
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