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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2879398)
So is it really accurate to say the upgrade time to IAH is 12 years if 1/3 of the CAs in that base have been hired after that date?
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OK, here is some actual facts for people:
These are active employees based off the current seniority list. Swapping is is not a true award. I do expect it to continue to fall with EWR continuing to be the most junior, followed by IAH, CLE, and then ORD. TYS is out of the question since it's so small. The more we hire, the more we can fly, which means the more upgrades we get. I'm not as optimistic that by the end of this year we will see the upgrade award fall to 2 years, but I do fully expect to see upgrades at about 2 years in 2020 sometime. |
Originally Posted by wmupilot85
(Post 2879510)
OK, here is some actual facts for people:
These are active employees based off the current seniority list. Swapping is is not a true award. I do expect it to continue to fall with EWR continuing to be the most junior, followed by IAH, CLE, and then ORD. TYS is out of the question since it's so small. The more we hire, the more we can fly, which means the more upgrades we get. I'm not as optimistic that by the end of this year we will see the upgrade award fall to 2 years, but I do fully expect to see upgrades at about 2 years in 2020 sometime. I did notice there were people showing active on Septembers bid reports that are currently just starting training. I don't know why they show active though. I know a couple of them and they won't be on line until later this year. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2879375)
So when you were a new hire the Union launched a campaign intended to stop incoming new hires - and therefore your upward movement? And you were just fine with that?
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Originally Posted by DirkDiggler
(Post 2880176)
All of us were new hires at one point. The union is looking out for the greater good. It’s important to keep a unified message to management. United we stand, divided we fall as the saying goes. Management wants a divided group, because then they will win and the abuse and status quo will continue. A unified group will cause them to lose sleep at night. So no matter how much you disagree with gaining leverage in this way, it’s necessary for negotiations.
And by the way, I think you have it backwards. It is the MEC who is responsible for representing the collective desire of the pilot group. The pilot group in no way owes support to an MEC who goes this far off the rails. If the MEC wants a united pilot group he should invest more effort into polls, surveys, etc. which measure the desire of the pilots to take such extreme measures instead of sending out polls asking for ammo for the campaign which has already been decided on. The MEC better hope his hair-brained idea works. All the company has to do now is just continue to hold out and watch the pilot group divide itself as the MECs actions only continue to worsen the problems for all of us. Then when the MEC comes up for re-election he will find himself in a classroom getting ready to go back to flying. If the MEC wants to unite us this is not the way to do so. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2880214)
It’s not just me. I’ve talked to some very senior pilots who feel like this is a terrible idea. New pilots are necessary for stable schedules and to help with many of the QOL issues we are facing. I’d say the pilot group is split down the middle.
And by the way, I think you have it backwards. It is the MEC who is responsible for representing the collective desire of the pilot group. The pilot group in no way owes support to an MEC who goes this far off the rails. If the MEC wants a united pilot group he should invest more effort into polls, surveys, etc. which measure the desire of the pilots to take such extreme measures instead of sending out polls asking for ammo for the campaign which has already been decided on. The MEC better hope his hair-brained idea works. All the company has to do now is just continue to hold out and watch the pilot group divide itself as the MECs actions only continue to worsen the problems for all of us. Then when the MEC comes up for re-election he will find himself in a classroom getting ready to go back to flying. If the MEC wants to unite us this is not the way to do so. |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2880214)
It’s not just me. I’ve talked to some very senior pilots who feel like this is a terrible idea.
Wait a sec. You think this is some idea? According to you, you are a relatively new guy. There are approximately 1392 on the list. What percentage of those folks have you accurately sampled for their general take on the reality of the company vs how management wants newhires to see it? Have you interviewed and surveyed at least 51%. Over the last few years the union has been actively surveying the pilots of XJT. It’s pretty safe to say the union has a better idea of what’s going on than you do. Not a single post of yours has justified the deceitful tactics you support by management. Please tell us all why you support embellishing and preying on unsuspecting vulnerable new hire pilots for YOUR own benefit. I don’t see what’s in it for them. |
I put this on another page and Im going to put it here too.
I do wish our management team would take a cue from United and negotiate in private. United ALPA is doing the same thing. Instead we have a clown at the CEO position running around telling us United isn't happy with our performance. 701EV :cool: |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2880214)
It’s not just me. I’ve talked to some very senior pilots who feel like this is a terrible idea. New pilots are necessary for stable schedules and to help with many of the QOL issues we are facing. I’d say the pilot group is split down the middle.
And by the way, I think you have it backwards. It is the MEC who is responsible for representing the collective desire of the pilot group. The pilot group in no way owes support to an MEC who goes this far off the rails. If the MEC wants a united pilot group he should invest more effort into polls, surveys, etc. which measure the desire of the pilots to take such extreme measures instead of sending out polls asking for ammo for the campaign which has already been decided on. The MEC better hope his hair-brained idea works. All the company has to do now is just continue to hold out and watch the pilot group divide itself as the MECs actions only continue to worsen the problems for all of us. Then when the MEC comes up for re-election he will find himself in a classroom getting ready to go back to flying. If the MEC wants to unite us this is not the way to do so. DSPS, WOW! In just a few months you have the whole ExpressJet dumpster fire figured out. You have talked to most of the pilots and YOU know we are a divided group. The MEC Chairman was just re-elected for another term. IF YOU ARE A NEW HIRE JUST (like you say you are)WORRY ABOUT DOING YOUR JOB CORRECTLY. GET OFF PROBATION THEN WORRY ABOUT WHAT GOES ON AT HE ADULT TABLE. GOOD LUCK. 701EV;) |
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
(Post 2880214)
It’s not just me. I’ve talked to some very senior pilots who feel like this is a terrible idea. New pilots are necessary for stable schedules and to help with many of the QOL issues we are facing. I’d say the pilot group is split down the middle.
Now they are intentionally going out of their way to violate the contract for pilots and FA's, putting letters in files, calling people in the office for excused sick calls, threatening missed trips and CPP failure. This is not the same airline it was a year ago. This new management wants a battle, we'll give them a battle. It's important for new hires to know the facts and hear real line pilot stories. I know I would want to if I were a potential new hire. |
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