No, it is not accurate. Junior IAH CA was awarded in 19-03 and is a 04/14 hire. The other guy was awarded in 19-04 and had bypassed upgrade on previous bids. When another bid comes open in the future with more IAH CA 145 slots, it is likely that you will see some junior awards again.

 

OK, here is some actual facts for people:

• The most junior captain in IAH is 4/2014. Then there is 4 people from 3/14, 1 person in 2/14, and 1 person 1/14.
• EWR has 2 people from 10/16 and 4 people from 9/16 as CA.
• ORD is a 8/13 hire date.
• CLE is a 1/16 hire date.

These are active employees based off the current seniority list. Swapping is is not a true award. I do expect it to continue to fall with EWR continuing to be the most junior, followed by IAH, CLE, and then ORD. TYS is out of the question since it's so small. The more we hire, the more we can fly, which means the more upgrades we get. I'm not as optimistic that by the end of this year we will see the upgrade award fall to 2 years, but I do fully expect to see upgrades at about 2 years in 2020 sometime.

 

I happen to know the most junior captain at the company. Just finished OE a few days ago. He is just over 6 years with the company. Not sure where you are going with a 2016 employee being an active captain. The second upgrade class since last year is just starting to do OE.

I did notice there were people showing active on Septembers bid reports that are currently just starting training. I don't know why they show active though. I know a couple of them and they won't be on line until later this year.

 

All of us were new hires at one point. The union is looking out for the greater good. It’s important to keep a unified message to management. United we stand, divided we fall as the saying goes. Management wants a divided group, because then they will win and the abuse and status quo will continue. A unified group will cause them to lose sleep at night. So no matter how much you disagree with gaining leverage in this way, it’s necessary for negotiations.

 

It’s not just me. I’ve talked to some very senior pilots who feel like this is a terrible idea. New pilots are necessary for stable schedules and to help with many of the QOL issues we are facing. I’d say the pilot group is split down the middle.

And by the way, I think you have it backwards. It is the MEC who is responsible for representing the collective desire of the pilot group. The pilot group in no way owes support to an MEC who goes this far off the rails.

If the MEC wants a united pilot group he should invest more effort into polls, surveys, etc. which measure the desire of the pilots to take such extreme measures instead of sending out polls asking for ammo for the campaign which has already been decided on.

The MEC better hope his hair-brained idea works. All the company has to do now is just continue to hold out and watch the pilot group divide itself as the MECs actions only continue to worsen the problems for all of us. Then when the MEC comes up for re-election he will find himself in a classroom getting ready to go back to flying.

If the MEC wants to unite us this is not the way to do so.

 

The MEC isn't a person. No one is going to take you seriously when you sound like an uninformed troll. If new pilots are necessary then the company should do what they need to do to attract new pilots. Go back to your coloring book noob.

 

Wait a sec. You think this is some idea? According to you, you are a relatively new guy. There are approximately 1392 on the list. What percentage of those folks have you accurately sampled for their general take on the reality of the company vs how management wants newhires to see it? Have you interviewed and surveyed at least 51%.

Over the last few years the union has been actively surveying the pilots of XJT. It’s pretty safe to say the union has a better idea of what’s going on than you do.

Not a single post of yours has justified the deceitful tactics you support by management. Please tell us all why you support embellishing and preying on unsuspecting vulnerable new hire pilots for YOUR own benefit. I don’t see what’s in it for them.

 

I put this on another page and Im going to put it here too.

I do wish our management team would take a cue from United and negotiate in private. United ALPA is doing the same thing. Instead we have a clown at the CEO position running around telling us United isn't happy with our performance.



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DSPS, WOW! In just a few months you have the whole ExpressJet dumpster fire figured out.

You have talked to most of the pilots and YOU know we are a divided group.

The MEC Chairman was just re-elected for another term.

IF YOU ARE A NEW HIRE JUST (like you say you are)WORRY ABOUT DOING YOUR JOB CORRECTLY. GET OFF PROBATION THEN WORRY ABOUT WHAT GOES ON AT HE ADULT TABLE. GOOD LUCK.

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The high number of blue lanyards and blue luggage tags speaks volumes. It is way more than down the middle, I'd say about 75% support this movement. Morale is at an all time low, the abuse by the company is unprecedented. At least when mainline skywest owned us the nobody really gave a crap in management because they weren't being pressured by anybody.

Now they are intentionally going out of their way to violate the contract for pilots and FA's, putting letters in files, calling people in the office for excused sick calls, threatening missed trips and CPP failure. This is not the same airline it was a year ago. This new management wants a battle, we'll give them a battle. It's important for new hires to know the facts and hear real line pilot stories. I know I would want to if I were a potential new hire.