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itsmytime 04-24-2020 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 3039670)
That's definitely not the case, anything goes at this point. This is obviously unprecedented.

so you’re saying United would keep their investment in xjet, but wind them down? Doesn’t make sense. What I’m saying is if United keeps their investment, xjet survives. Obviously if they sell them off, anything goes.

Longhornmaniac8 04-24-2020 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 3039753)
so you’re saying United would keep their investment in xjet, but wind them down? Doesn’t make sense. What I’m saying is if United keeps their investment, xjet survives. Obviously if they sell them off, anything goes.

It's a sunk cost. I'm not saying they will or they won't, but far too many people use evidence of a past financial commitment (stake in airline, cabin refurbishment, etc) as a justification for why X will continue to be around.

That's not how business works. What's done is done. The only thing that matters now is what happens going forward.

Itsajob 04-24-2020 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 (Post 3039759)
It's a sunk cost. I'm not saying they will or they won't, but far too many people use evidence of a past financial commitment (stake in airline, cabin refurbishment, etc) as a justification for why X will continue to be around.

That's not how business works. What's done is done. The only thing that matters now is what happens going forward.

^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^
XJT has no assets to sell other than a list of qualified employees. United already owns all of the equipment that XJT operates. The previous money was spent at a time when XJT needed propping up to provide reliable feed to United. It wasn’t an investment to be sold or kept, it was money spent in the past to keep feed when demand was at record highs. If going forward they decide that that the equipment will not be around, neither will XJT. It won’t cost them any money. Park the jets or transfer them to another regional, and XJT is just a list of employees with no work. They could easily decide that XJT handles what is left of the 50 seat flying, or they could consolidate flying and transfer those planes to another regional. That decision will be based solely on what is best going forward, not money spent before the virus.

amcnd 04-24-2020 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 3039753)
so you’re saying United would keep their investment in xjet, but wind them down? Doesn’t make sense. What I’m saying is if United keeps their investment, xjet survives. Obviously if they sell them off, anything goes.

XJT was purchased for 70mill.. plus parts, ect. So lets say UA’s 43% is 50 mill. Start a stop
watch for 5 hrs. UA just burned 50 mill in losses!!! There investment is. Crumbs at this point. Airlines need cash to survive this. How much “cash on hand” does Mana have??? Because UA isn't paying allowance right now.. I do believe XTJ is in better position then some UAX carriers though...

greatmovieistar 04-24-2020 07:32 AM

AVIATE tho…..

UnitedExpress 04-24-2020 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3039882)
XJT was purchased for 70mill.. plus parts, ect. So lets say UA’s 43% is 50 million...

I guess you meant United’s 49% and Mana Air (UAL investors group) 51%.

XJT is in pretty good shape financially compared to some other UAX carriers.

point80 04-24-2020 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by UnitedExpress (Post 3039937)
I guess you meant United’s 49% and Mana Air (UAL investors group) 51%.

XJT is in pretty good shape compared to some other UAX carriers.

Until XJT receives CARES ACT money they are in one of the worst positions. As of 2 days ago they were still negotiating with their shareholders. Unless the CEO has confirmed anything I would hold my breath on saying they are better position then anyone.

amcnd 04-24-2020 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by UnitedExpress (Post 3039937)
I guess you meant United’s 49% and Mana Air (UAL investors group) 51%.

XJT is in pretty good shape financially compared to some other UAX carriers.


No. i meant 43%..... (but don’t care to debate it... so say whatever percentage you want as long as its less then 50%... really doesn't mater still a minority..)

SeeYa 04-24-2020 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3039976)
No. i meant 43%..... (but don’t care to debate it... so say whatever percentage you want as long as its less then 50%... really doesn't mater still a minority..)

it’s 49.9% and it’s really not a secret.

im curious what “point” you are trying to make by saying it’s 43

We also have investments in several domestic regional airlines. In January 2019, we completed the acquisition of a 49.9% interest in ManaAir LLC, which, as of immediately following the closing of that investment, owns 100% of the equity interests in ExpressJet Airlines, Inc., a domestic regional airline. We also have minority equity interests in CommutAir and Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. See Note 9 to the financial statements included in Part II, Item 8 of this report for additional information regarding our investments in regional airlines.
from UA’s 10-K

UnitedExpress 04-24-2020 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by point80 (Post 3039949)
Until XJT receives CARES ACT money they are in one of the worst positions. As of 2 days ago they were still negotiating with their shareholders. Unless the CEO has confirmed anything I would hold my breath on saying they are better position then anyone.

XJT will receive CARES ACT money.


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