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Originally Posted by DBono
(Post 3041132)
Are they in bad shape? Honest question. At least all 36 are XRs. I'm assuming they're all dual FMS? I hope. According to this
https://sites.google.com/site/united...fleet-tracking they are all 2002-2004 airplanes, so newer than most of the XJT LR fleet. I was sort of hoping XJT could park all the single FMS airplanes, then as many LRs as possible and just operate XRs for a while. All nice thoughts since it won't matter soon anyway. |
Originally Posted by klondike
(Post 3041291)
I wouldn’t characterize them as being in “bad shape.”
That is, of course, a subjective term. They are 20 year old airframes though that have been used and abused like street-corner *****s. As has been said in other threads, passengers hate them. (50 seat Regional Jets) As for them being XR’s rather than LR’s.... Joe Public couldn’t care less since most, if not at all of them, cannot tell the difference between the two. I don’t know exactly how many of the TransStates birds have dual FMS. |
I was in Dulles the other day and saw Commutair, Air Wisconsin, Mesa, Gojet, and Republic planes all parked near eachother waiting to load up passengers. It really made me realize the amount market overlap United has between it's regionals. It seems incredibly inefficient to have that many feeders serving the same airport. 2-3? That seems manageable, but 5? I personally think United's regional model will look very different when all of this is over with. There is speculation that they will follow what Delta did with simplifying their regional flying and split it up by different regions. I could see something like this working out for them:
-Expressjet: CRJ-550's - EWR, DEN, IAH -Skywest: 175's- West Coast + ORD , (CRJ7 - DEN?) -Republic: 175's- EWR, ORD, IAH -Mesa: 175's- IAD, IAH I think all of the CRJ-200's and 145's will be parked. Those routes, if still around, could be served with a CRJ-550. Just pure speculation, but after the town hall announcement of 50 seat flying going away, I'm not too sure what to think about C5, and AWI. Also seeing that 2 out of the 3 Trans States Holdings operations have gone under, it really makes you wonder how serious they are about keeping Gojet running. Since United owns 49% of Expressjet (Mana Air), and did initially award them the 175's, it makes me think that they are still interested in working with them. The 175's being taken away did seem like a major blow, but it could have just been a piece to the puzzle. Also, doesn't Expressjet still have a CRJ program? If so, I imagine you guys could easily take on the CRJ-550 if asked to do so. Just my 2 cents as I sit at home bored during quarantine. |
Originally Posted by OffAtTango
(Post 3046341)
I was in Dulles the other day and saw Commutair, Air Wisconsin, Mesa, Gojet, and Republic planes all parked near eachother waiting to load up passengers. It really made me realize the amount market overlap United has between it's regionals. It seems incredibly inefficient to have that many feeders serving the same airport. 2-3? That seems manageable, but 5? I personally think United's regional model will look very different when all of this is over with. There is speculation that they will follow what Delta did with simplifying their regional flying and split it up by different regions. I could see something like this working out for them:
-Expressjet: CRJ-550's - EWR, DEN, IAH -Skywest: 175's- West Coast + ORD , (CRJ7 - DEN?) -Republic: 175's- EWR, ORD, IAH -Mesa: 175's- IAD, IAH I think all of the CRJ-200's and 145's will be parked. Those routes, if still around, could be served with a CRJ-550. Just pure speculation, but after the town hall announcement of 50 seat flying going away, I'm not too sure what to think about C5, and AWI. Also seeing that 2 out of the 3 Trans States Holdings operations have gone under, it really makes you wonder how serious they are about keeping Gojet running. Since United owns 49% of Expressjet (Mana Air), and did initially award them the 175's, it makes me think that they are still interested in working with them. The 175's being taken away did seem like a major blow, but it could have just been a piece to the puzzle. Also, doesn't Expressjet still have a CRJ program? It seems like you guys could easily take on the CRJ-550 if asked to do so. Just my 2 cents as I sit at home bored during quarantine. |
Originally Posted by OffAtTango
(Post 3046341)
I was in Dulles the other day and saw Commutair, Air Wisconsin, Mesa, Gojet, and Republic planes all parked near eachother waiting to load up passengers. It really made me realize the amount market overlap United has between it's regionals. It seems incredibly inefficient to have that many feeders serving the same airport. 2-3? That seems manageable, but 5? I personally think United's regional model will look very different when all of this is over with. There is speculation that they will follow what Delta did with simplifying their regional flying and split it up by different regions. I could see something like this working out for them:
-Expressjet: CRJ-550's - EWR, DEN, IAH -Skywest: 175's- West Coast + ORD , (CRJ7 - DEN?) -Republic: 175's- EWR, ORD, IAH -Mesa: 175's- IAD, IAH I think all of the CRJ-200's and 145's will be parked. Those routes, if still around, could be served with a CRJ-550. Just pure speculation, but after the town hall announcement of 50 seat flying going away, I'm not too sure what to think about C5, and AWI. Also seeing that 2 out of the 3 Trans States Holdings operations have gone under, it really makes you wonder how serious they are about keeping Gojet running. Since United owns 49% of Expressjet (Mana Air), and did initially award them the 175's, it makes me think that they are still interested in working with them. The 175's being taken away did seem like a major blow, but it could have just been a piece to the puzzle. Also, doesn't Expressjet still have a CRJ program? If so, I imagine you guys could easily take on the CRJ-550 if asked to do so. Just my 2 cents as I sit at home bored during quarantine. |
Originally Posted by OffAtTango
(Post 3046341)
I was in Dulles the other day and saw Commutair, Air Wisconsin, Mesa, Gojet, and Republic planes all parked near eachother waiting to load up passengers. It really made me realize the amount market overlap United has between it's regionals. It seems incredibly inefficient to have that many feeders serving the same airport. 2-3? That seems manageable, but 5? I personally think United's regional model will look very different when all of this is over with. There is speculation that they will follow what Delta did with simplifying their regional flying and split it up by different regions. I could see something like this working out for them:
-Expressjet: CRJ-550's - EWR, DEN, IAH -Skywest: 175's- West Coast + ORD , (CRJ7 - DEN?) -Republic: 175's- EWR, ORD, IAH -Mesa: 175's- IAD, IAH I think all of the CRJ-200's and 145's will be parked. Those routes, if still around, could be served with a CRJ-550. Just pure speculation, but after the town hall announcement of 50 seat flying going away, I'm not too sure what to think about C5, and AWI. Also seeing that 2 out of the 3 Trans States Holdings operations have gone under, it really makes you wonder how serious they are about keeping Gojet running. Since United owns 49% of Expressjet (Mana Air), and did initially award them the 175's, it makes me think that they are still interested in working with them. The 175's being taken away did seem like a major blow, but it could have just been a piece to the puzzle. Also, doesn't Expressjet still have a CRJ program? If so, I imagine you guys could easily take on the CRJ-550 if asked to do so. Just my 2 cents as I sit at home bored during quarantine. If United does decide to park the 50 seaters, XJT won't be around |
Originally Posted by OffAtTango
(Post 3046341)
I was in Dulles the other day and saw Commutair, Air Wisconsin, Mesa, Gojet, and Republic planes all parked near eachother waiting to load up passengers. It really made me realize the amount market overlap United has between it's regionals. It seems incredibly inefficient to have that many feeders serving the same airport. 2-3? That seems manageable, but 5? I personally think United's regional model will look very different when all of this is over with. There is speculation that they will follow what Delta did with simplifying their regional flying and split it up by different regions. I could see something like this working out for them:
-Expressjet: CRJ-550's - EWR, DEN, IAH -Skywest: 175's- West Coast + ORD , (CRJ7 - DEN?) -Republic: 175's- EWR, ORD, IAH -Mesa: 175's- IAD, IAH I think all of the CRJ-200's and 145's will be parked. Those routes, if still around, could be served with a CRJ-550. Just pure speculation, but after the town hall announcement of 50 seat flying going away, I'm not too sure what to think about C5, and AWI. Also seeing that 2 out of the 3 Trans States Holdings operations have gone under, it really makes you wonder how serious they are about keeping Gojet running. Since United owns 49% of Expressjet (Mana Air), and did initially award them the 175's, it makes me think that they are still interested in working with them. The 175's being taken away did seem like a major blow, but it could have just been a piece to the puzzle. Also, doesn't Expressjet still have a CRJ program? If so, I imagine you guys could easily take on the CRJ-550 if asked to do so. Just my 2 cents as I sit at home bored during quarantine. |
Originally Posted by SeeYa
(Post 3046415)
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If United does decide to park the 50 seaters, XJT won't be around |
Originally Posted by RabidW0mbat
(Post 3046343)
my guess would be Gojet expands, or Air Wisconsin gets the 550’s before XJ does...the whole type rated pilot on property may help that scenario.
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Originally Posted by OffAtTango
(Post 3046476)
That's what Skywest, Republic, and Mesa thought before XJT was awarded the 175.
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