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[QUOTE=Lebron;3097510]Highly doubt UA said this directly this to XJT, and C5 that this will be the only play to secure future flying. From a union perspective undercutting the industry is not the way to go at all regardless of the situation.

XJT management since giving up the 175’s and recently saying they are unable to come up with the assets and a long term commitment from UA to secure Cares ACT portion of Loans around 67 million, this is the only play they have. Show UA we got all segments of Labor to reduce cost by 20-40%. It’s a joke and I’m an absolute no voter, I rather find something else than be some where with no future and barely any income.[/QUOTE

I’m with you. I don’t think a yes vote secures a future for the company. It certainly doesn’t secure a brighter future for the pilot group.

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Originally Posted by Meep (Post 3097556)

Most say no concessions until their head is on the chopping block. I’ve ridden on XJet many times, and they’ve always been friendly and professional. Hate seeing this for such a good group, best of luck!

I say no and as far as I am concerned my head has already been chopped off.

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Vote NO

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Originally Posted by simscott (Post 3097772)

Now is the time to stop the whipsaw.

I’m of the opinion XJT’s fate is set and UAX is taking advantage of a bleeding man by stealing his wallet. The block hours aren’t there, XJT doesn’t own their jets, and too many top tier or max pay pilots.

For an entry level pilot to come in now it’s $40/hr and say 80hrs avg line.

$40 x 80 x 12= $38,400 before taxes, insurance, 401k
No more sign on bonus.
Per Diem is not included because it’s not salary.
$40 hr is assuming you fly 75hr avg per quarter for the quarterly bonus which no new pilot will make until 2 or 3 quarters with a line.
With concessions, take home pay will be in the mid to high 20’s...all after $70k+ in training, 4 year degrees to be competitive, and hustling for 1500hrs min ATP (which will be meaningless because requirements will go up now to compete with furloughed pilots).

If XJT accepts pay and benefit cut it will have a trickle down effect to every regional and set the industry back 20 years. Working for 2002 dollars in 2020.

Remember ‘you must sign this contract to get the 175s‘. Then they got rid of them. Remember Letter 2? XJT is being used as pawns to whip saw the industry. Not just XJT but all regional need to stand their ground for this to work. Time to Braveheart this b*tch!!

Scott Kirby is probably looking for something similar to Piedmonts 2013 whipsaw contract for the UAX 50 seat carriers. 11 days off, 14 max, 12 yr CA payscale topping out at $90.54/hr, 10 years until the next renegotiation.

Pay at the AA wholly owned regionals improved almost immediately upon Kirby’s ousting from AAG. Pay and QOL increases had been improving constantly since his departure.

Goodluck.

Even if we take concessions it won’t stop a furlough or a potential closure. Solid points made throughout. NO

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeFO (Post 3097818)

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Vote NO

Better to die on your feet than live BENT OVER on your knees with no Ky jelly in sight .

Let's bring back E120 pay. See who shows up to commute, making...

health care

Not just about the pilots taking cuts. There are other groups. FA, MX.. MX is one of the better contracts out there. But expensive... I would like to see how they compare to C5...

Do XJT pilots get profit sharing?

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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3097869)

Do XJT pilots get profit sharing?

Nope

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