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afterburn81 04-28-2020 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3043807)
If the airlines were required to practice social distancing and block seats, the remaining seats would be so expensive that even fewer people would want to fly. The government money bought the industry some time, but when that runs out, if the route can’t be flown profitably, it won’t be flown.

Per past shareholders comms, the CPAs with XJT roughly assume 60% break even load factors. Meaning that if they can maintain an average 65% load factor, the brand can survive until business can pick back up.

Remember, pax don’t really care if it’s an RJ or Airbus. Its all United to them.

DL will definitely win with their 717s and MD90s.

Tilem 04-28-2020 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 3043828)
Per past shareholders comms, the CPAs with XJT roughly assume 60% break even load factors. Meaning that if they can maintain an average 65% load factor, the brand can survive until business can pick back up.

Remember, pax don’t really care if it’s an RJ or Airbus. Its all United to them.

DL will definitely win with their 717s and MD90s.

If that’s true why is DAL planning to ground those two airframes?

Ciceda 04-28-2020 08:41 AM


Originally Posted by DirkDiggler (Post 3043586)
How is his statement hyperbole. Air traffic has been reduced 90%, planes are parked all over, airports are dead and the flights that are flying have mostly open seats. If this thing resurges in winter like the CDC alludes to with no treatment or vaccine this industry will be decimated. There will be airline bankruptcies galore. The majority of people will be afraid to go out in public let alone fly. Nobody can say for sure how this is going to play out, but it's safe to say this is unprecedented.

It is going to be quite the opposite if this reemerges after it is found out that these stay at home orders were pointless. There is a point where people are going to be smart enough to say "f#@#$ it", at risk people stay home everybody else needs to get back out and restart the economy and let herd immunity take over. Why to liberals think everybody staying home and not working is sustainable for anything more than a month or two?

climb150 04-28-2020 08:46 AM

Can anyone please show me where there is evidence of a COVID 19 transmission from one passenger to another on a flight? Someone they weren't traveling with?

ReadOnly7 04-28-2020 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 3043828)
Remember, pax don’t really care if it’s an RJ or Airbus. Its all United to them.

Really? I’ve flown both of them with UA colors painted on the side, and I certainly disagree with this statement.

pangolin 04-28-2020 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3043807)
If the airlines were required to practice social distancing and block seats, the remaining seats would be so expensive that even fewer people would want to fly. The government money bought the industry some time, but when that runs out, if the route can’t be flown profitably, it won’t be flown.

I am commuting to work tomorrow. 160 seats. 139 booked with an additional 16 non revs listed. Middle seat for me. Woo hoo.

afterburn81 04-28-2020 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3043860)
Really? I’ve flown both of them with UA colors painted on the side, and I certainly disagree with this statement.

I mean from a brand standpoint. If it says United, they think it’s United. Even though it’s flown by another company. Obviously the bigger the plane, the more comfortable to the general public.

afterburn81 04-28-2020 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3043888)
I am commuting to work tomorrow. 160 seats. 139 booked with an additional 16 non revs listed. Middle seat for me. Woo hoo.

Cant help to think this was a product of consolidation. Still though, if the airlines want to recover, from an optics standpoint, that kind of stuff won’t fly. No pun intended.

point80 04-28-2020 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by Tilem (Post 3043845)
If that’s true why is DAL planning to ground those two airframes?

I was going this. Some people dont read the news that these airframes will be retired in June. 6 months ahead of schedule.

Delsol 04-28-2020 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Ciceda (Post 3043849)
It is going to be quite the opposite if this reemerges after it is found out that these stay at home orders were pointless. There is a point where people are going to be smart enough to say "f#@#$ it", at risk people stay home everybody else needs to get back out and restart the economy and let herd immunity take over. Why to liberals think everybody staying home and not working is sustainable for anything more than a month or two?


Maybe not pointless, but the target keeps shifting making the guidance pointless. First it was shelter-in-place to flatten the curve. Now it's a few more months, according to some experts. Or 2021. Or 2022. Testing isn't going to happen on a large scale. We can't contain the virus. We need to shift our attention to living with it long-term, whatever that may entail. There is no escape from this-it is now part of planet Earth.

And the AFA and their petition to legally ban all leisure travel is insane. I see their point, but what they want is absurd and probably not legal. They don't want to be the ones blamed in the post-analysis.


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