View Poll Results: SkyWest INC Representation
One List, In-House Union
90
53.89%
One List, ALPA
34
20.36%
One List, No Union
10
5.99%
Status Quo (Two Lists, Two Contracts)
33
19.76%
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SkyWest & ExpressJet Pilot Poll
01-27-2012 | 06:25 AM
#41
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From: maddoggy dog
I guess you don't know what you don't know!
How are your medical benefits working for you?
Since there's not a collective bargaining agreement between you and management, could they legally cut your pay at their discretion? (rhetorical)
Since there's not a collective entity representing you or your pilots, who will represent you at a disciplinary hearing? Who will represent and help you regain active status in the event of loss of medical?
Who will GRIEVE work rule violations or payroll violations?
Who will keep the company from changing the terms of your employment without a contract or a union?
Don't be naive, you don't have to get ALPA, but unions are a necessary evil in this industry.
You don't have aeromedical
You don't have legal
You don't have a compliance team
Your ASAP is only certificate action protection, not punitive.
You don't have a vote or a voice if the company decides to change the terms of your employment
And good relations will only go as far and as long as its profitable to the company or until labor reaches a boiling point. So you tell me....
How are your medical benefits working for you?
Since there's not a collective bargaining agreement between you and management, could they legally cut your pay at their discretion? (rhetorical)
Since there's not a collective entity representing you or your pilots, who will represent you at a disciplinary hearing? Who will represent and help you regain active status in the event of loss of medical?
Who will GRIEVE work rule violations or payroll violations?
Who will keep the company from changing the terms of your employment without a contract or a union?
Don't be naive, you don't have to get ALPA, but unions are a necessary evil in this industry.
You don't have aeromedical
You don't have legal
You don't have a compliance team
Your ASAP is only certificate action protection, not punitive.
You don't have a vote or a voice if the company decides to change the terms of your employment
And good relations will only go as far and as long as its profitable to the company or until labor reaches a boiling point. So you tell me....
I flew for Skywest for 9 years. Skywest is a good company with smart management. Sapa did a pretty good job as well. I made a decent living in a sunny California base. Life was good. Now that I am at a major airline I realize how dumb I really was.
A union is more than an entity to get you a raise. The above quote lists some very important union duties.
My union reps, Dalpa, for all their faults, work tirelessly to improve my standard of living and to protect my career. Luckily, for the non union carriers, Dalpa and Alpa are working in Washington DC to prevent cabotage and secure a future for american air carriers.
Can Sapa lobby on Washington to protect Skywest pilots? Dalpa did and got some critical retirement legislation passed in the pilots favor. Can Sapa lobby against cabotage? No, Jerry only allocates so much money to the Sapa budget.
My point is, I didn't know how exposed and unprotected I was until I came to a major union carrier. I've never needed to use any services from my union but at least I have the assurance that it will be there if required. My head is now out of the sand.
Good luck with whatever choice your pilot groups make.
01-27-2012 | 12:03 PM
#42
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From: EMB 145 CPT
It seems to me, and most other observers of this business, that your house was the one that was not in order and it was the company you mock that has wiped up your mess. Instead of being thankful, you bite the hand that helps you. XJT was not going to be around much longer and no serious person can say otherwise with a strait face.
I guess you don't know what you don't know!
How are your medical benefits working for you?
Since there's not a collective bargaining agreement between you and management, could they legally cut your pay at their discretion? (rhetorical)
Since there's not a collective entity representing you or your pilots, who will represent you at a disciplinary hearing? Who will represent and help you regain active status in the event of loss of medical?
Who will GRIEVE work rule violations or payroll violations?
Who will keep the company from changing the terms of your employment without a contract or a union?
Don't be naive, you don't have to get ALPA, but unions are a necessary evil in this industry.
You don't have aeromedical
You don't have legal
You don't have a compliance team
Your ASAP is only certificate action protection, not punitive.
You don't have a vote or a voice if the company decides to change the terms of your employment
And good relations will only go as far and as long as its profitable to the company or until labor reaches a boiling point. So you tell me....
How are your medical benefits working for you?
Since there's not a collective bargaining agreement between you and management, could they legally cut your pay at their discretion? (rhetorical)
Since there's not a collective entity representing you or your pilots, who will represent you at a disciplinary hearing? Who will represent and help you regain active status in the event of loss of medical?
Who will GRIEVE work rule violations or payroll violations?
Who will keep the company from changing the terms of your employment without a contract or a union?
Don't be naive, you don't have to get ALPA, but unions are a necessary evil in this industry.
You don't have aeromedical
You don't have legal
You don't have a compliance team
Your ASAP is only certificate action protection, not punitive.
You don't have a vote or a voice if the company decides to change the terms of your employment
And good relations will only go as far and as long as its profitable to the company or until labor reaches a boiling point. So you tell me....
I flew for Skywest for 9 years. Skywest is a good company with smart management. Sapa did a pretty good job as well. I made a decent living in a sunny California base. Life was good. Now that I am at a major airline I realize how dumb I really was.
A union is more than an entity to get you a raise. The above quote lists some very important union duties.
My union reps, Dalpa, for all their faults, work tirelessly to improve my standard of living and to protect my career. Luckily, for the non union carriers, Dalpa and Alpa are working in Washington DC to prevent cabotage and secure a future for american air carriers.
Can Sapa lobby on Washington to protect Skywest pilots? Dalpa did and got some critical retirement legislation passed in the pilots favor. Can Sapa lobby against cabotage? No, Jerry only allocates so much money to the Sapa budget.
My point is, I didn't know how exposed and unprotected I was until I came to a major union carrier. I've never needed to use any services from my union but at least I have the assurance that it will be there if required. My head is now out of the sand.
Good luck with whatever choice your pilot groups make.
01-27-2012 | 12:31 PM
#43
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Expressjet made the decision to not seek one list. Expressjet had a surefire 100% guarantee to make it happen and they chose not to use it. Skywest isn't going to vote in a union for years to come if ever. For skywest inc. to have one list using the only avenue that is left would take this entire decade most likely. Pretty much everyone in this thread will have moved on by then. Making one of these silly threads every 6 months isn't going to do anything other than get everyone wrapped around the axle. Best just focus on working on getting more for your respective airline.
01-28-2012 | 10:12 AM
#45
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From: CRJ
Expressjet made the decision to not seek one list. Expressjet had a surefire 100% guarantee to make it happen and they chose not to use it. Skywest isn't going to vote in a union for years to come if ever. For skywest inc. to have one list using the only avenue that is left would take this entire decade most likely. Pretty much everyone in this thread will have moved on by then. Making one of these silly threads every 6 months isn't going to do anything other than get everyone wrapped around the axle. Best just focus on working on getting more for your respective airline.
01-28-2012 | 03:42 PM
#46
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From: CRJ200 Capt.
Originally Posted by Nevets
If you want one list, then the ASA/XJT will have to make the legal case to the NMB. Otherwise, the only other way is for Skywest pilots to unionize. Then there might be a possibility. Until then, its moot since JA seems to always use the "my pilots don't want a union" card.
2. Many ASA pilots are starting to think a single list with the XJT folks isn't such a good idea...That won't help the sale's pitch to the SKYW folks.
Originally Posted by Nevets
By the way, not having fences does NOT mean that you will be displaced. There has to be a vacancy for a pilot to bid into any aircraft, base, and seat. That is your base (and aircraft and seat) protection. You cannot be forced out of your base, aircraft, or seat. People need to educate themselves a little before saying things that are not true.
01-28-2012 | 03:46 PM
#47
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From: CRJ200 Capt.
Not exactly...
This is what many of the anti-union pilots at Skywest do not realize. I too went from non-union pilot job to a union pilot job and came to the same exact realization as you and thousands of others have. Yet when we try to educate them so they dont make the same misconceptions, they say it's just jealousy or envy or any other thing than just sincere care for the profession.
This is what many of the anti-union pilots at Skywest do not realize. I too went from non-union pilot job to a union pilot job and came to the same exact realization as you and thousands of others have. Yet when we try to educate them so they dont make the same misconceptions, they say it's just jealousy or envy or any other thing than just sincere care for the profession.
01-28-2012 | 04:28 PM
#48
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Unity is going to be tough to achieve if the CRJ200 or the ERJ fleet gets trimmed without more jobs being offered on CRJ700's or 900's. It is very difficult to figure out what is going to happen in the next 5 years in the fee for departure market. Many pundants are writing the glory days of "regional airlines" are over. But, if you look at the numbers and the profits mainline carriers made last year on their outsourced flying, it would seem to be doing quite well.
It has been a while since I've seen the numbers, but isn't the CRJ200 now the most expensive airplane flying on a CASM basis?
It has been a while since I've seen the numbers, but isn't the CRJ200 now the most expensive airplane flying on a CASM basis?
01-28-2012 | 05:42 PM
#49
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Originally Posted by Nevets
If you want one list, then the ASA/XJT will have to make the legal case to the NMB. Otherwise, the only other way is for Skywest pilots to unionize. Then there might be a possibility. Until then, its moot since JA seems to always use the "my pilots don't want a union" card.
2. Many ASA pilots are starting to think a single list with the XJT folks isn't such a good idea...That won't help the sale's pitch to the SKYW folks.
Originally Posted by Nevets
By the way, not having fences does NOT mean that you will be displaced. There has to be a vacancy for a pilot to bid into any aircraft, base, and seat. That is your base (and aircraft and seat) protection. You cannot be forced out of your base, aircraft, or seat. People need to educate themselves a little before saying things that are not true.
2. Separate lists is also ok with me. We gain much more than we would've had as an independent that way. If we can't make our contract better through JNC, then it would be stupidity to do other than stay separate until that equation changes, if it ever changes.
And I was only correcting what someone said about having to sell their house and move. That is completely ignorant! Can you be bumped down? Yes and you can also get people below you as well. With the passage of time causing attrition (for different reasons such as retirements, resignations, firings, deaths, promotions, etc), it becomes more likely that you will get bumped down anywhere. That is a fact.
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