I'm LXJT. So yea, concession for us since we currently get paid for it. Not sure for your side, sorry.


Oh.... And just a thought on the brake release thing...if that is your current wording, and the "practice" is brake release, then why did they push to have separate language installed?
Why do you even need sub part b.? Why not have us all the same definition of doors closed and brake released to MCD open? Something for you guys to think about, if you think status quo practices continue after JCBA you may be in for a rude surprise...

Yea concession for CRJ as well I believe.

Anyone who alt deadheads on the CRJ can support that this is indeed a loss of alt deadhead pay for us as well?

Yep, the DH leg is protected under current book.

Apparently we have some reading comprehension issues.

DUTY RIG HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY except for CDOs. Daytime trips no longer receive duty rig. Another concession to add to the list.

-No Voter

Would you mind copying and pasting the language?

a. A pilot will be paid and credited, at the applicable rate of pay
set forth in paragraph [A.], above, on a daily basis, the greater of:
(1) Paragraphs [1.b.] or [1.c.], below, for Continuous Duty Overnights (CDOs).
(2) Paragraphs [1.b.] or [1.d.], below for other than CDOs.
b. Block Hour Credit
The greater of actual or scheduled block time calculated on a leg-by-leg basis, including deadhead credit and any additional pay credits set forth in this Section.
c. Duty Hour Credit
1 minute of credit for each 2 minutes of originally scheduled duty time calculated for each duty period up to 12 hours of duty, and then 1 minute of credit for each 1 minute of originally scheduled duty time after 12 hours of duty.
d. Minimum Day Credit
3.86 hours of credit for each scheduled or actual calendar day of duty, and/or calendar day away from domicile. This provision will not apply to time spent in training (not including OE). For purposes of this paragraph, any trip that is scheduled to terminate prior to midnight LT but actually terminates between midnight LT and 0400 LT the following day will be paid a single minimum day credit.

1.c. applies only to CDOs now. Oh and notice that they pushed back the end of the day from 0200 to 0400. Another concession.

This is huge. That alone should cause a no vote.

Well then, It took me a few beers to get through most of this... I have said in the past how much I want to work together and how much I want there to be a contract between the two groups. That said; this contract is deplorable. This contract is a disappointment to the asa side as well as the xjt side. VACA low has basically been eliminated. New vacation low is a mmg of 65 hours and only in one month can you use it. The wage increases are nonexistent and don't keep pace with inflation. A 1 % raise for first officers is an utter joke. ASA Fo's don't get a pay raise for year 1. No duty or trip rigs. VACA, sick time and retirement are a minimal improvement for asa only. The scheduling section improves in some areas however things like long call conversion and ready reserve are disgusting. I will continue to read this and study it before i make my decision, however based on my current view I will be voting no to this contract. I am ashamed of our mec and negotiating group.

Couldn't have said it better. It is shameful.

Here is my dilemma, everything the no voters have said is accurate. There are concessionary aspects to this contract, which is an incredibly tough pill to swallow. I get sick at the thought of our mainline partners awarding 20+% raises, significant profit sharing checks in addition to an already disproportionate pay scale, but this contract, if approved, would still be the leading regional contract and the envy of every other connection carrier. As much as I would have liked to see the "bar" raised, is it realistic, or even attainable to expect anything better? After all it is "Industry Leading"! Im not a young, naive pilot, nor am I a lifer, and I honestly don't believe management is playing games. I would love this moment to begin a ground swell of support to get rid of ALPA, not because our MEC's failed us (they did better than every other pilot group in the industry), but because national sold the regionals out years ago.