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Old 01-24-2017 | 09:17 AM
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And I am pretty sure they are making rationale decisions. It isn't about SKYW first. It is about SKYW delivering a better margin.
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Old 01-24-2017 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by N1234
And I am pretty sure they are making rationale decisions. It isn't about SKYW first. It is about SKYW delivering a better margin.
Are you sure? Maybe you could expand and provide solid examples? Because I'm pretty sure by Skywest's history that they know how to run and build a business. Seems to me if they'd put some effort into the Express Jet side they could make it profitable as well. And in regards to the whipsawing post, how can you call it whipsawing when they are not using it for bargaining? It's my understanding they're not even negotiating or trying to improve things on the union side
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Old 01-24-2017 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
You know the wedge is the Union, and always has been. Pilots on both sides know this, and know as long as there is a union in place, nothing is going anywhere. Kind of like beating a dead horse I suppose.

Hindsight being 20/20, I would probably put money on if OO had to do it all over again, the purchase of ASA and XJet would not have happened. However, that is my opinion only...
No, I think you were spot on. They wanted the market share and thought over time we would drop the union. Didn't happen so now they are doing the only thing they can. You guys can get along without a union and that's great. I like that we have a CBA that has compensation and benefits contained within it that can't be changed by the company without going through the union. That is my security blanket. Now, there is no security from being shrunk into nonexistence, but I knew that going in and I have accepted it.
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Old 01-24-2017 | 01:50 PM
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ASA was doing fine on our own until we were sold to Delta, who did nothing to improve things. Delta managers who retired from Delta slowly took over management of ASA and further ran it down, and then sold ASA to SKYW, who improved things some. Then SKYW bought XTJ and merged the two, and it's been downhill ever since.
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Old 01-24-2017 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Of course there is. However, like any other investment you expect results. Because there is zero guarantee of results, who do so many pro union guys like yourself take such issue with people who want nothing to do with them?

You obviously didn't understand what I'm saying. And how would you? I have my results. There is never a guarantee that any job I have will exist until I retire. That's not the result we pay for. Only management can control that end. And we have had very bad management, especially since Inc took over.

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Are you sure? Maybe you could expand and provide solid examples? Because I'm pretty sure by Skywest's history that they know how to run and build a business. Seems to me if they'd put some effort into the Express Jet side they could make it profitable as well. And in regards to the whipsawing post, how can you call it whipsawing when they are not using it for bargaining? It's my understanding they're not even negotiating or trying to improve things on the union side

They are doing what is smart at this point. The past is the past. They can't go back and fix those mistakes. So it makes sense to shutter the side that is losing money and keeping the cheaper labor side.

Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
You know the wedge is the Union, and always has been. Pilots on both sides know this, and know as long as there is a union in place, nothing is going anywhere. Kind of like beating a dead horse I suppose.

Hindsight being 20/20, I would probably put money on if OO had to do it all over again, the purchase of ASA and XJet would not have happened. However, that is my opinion only...

The union was not a wedge. It's simple an anti-union stance management took. That's unfortunate but oh well. All other airlines make money with unions, including regionals. So it's definitely not the unions preventing a profitable business. But I agree, if they could do it all over again, they would not have bought either. And I don't lose sleep at night about the hundreds of millions they've sunk into ASA/XJT.
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Old 01-24-2017 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
The SKW inter memo. SkyWest is even back flying 700's for Alaska!!
When did they stop flying the 700's? And who was flying it for OO?
Doesn't sound accurate.
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Old 01-24-2017 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Dude Abides
When did they stop flying the 700's? And who was flying it for OO?
Doesn't sound accurate.
It is accurate. The 700's were traded out for 175's but horizon has had some issues so they brought a few 700's back to cover that flying.
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Old 01-24-2017 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
You just contradicted yourself with this statement.


Yes, I know you think that. And I see you conveniently ignored how I explained that.
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Old 01-25-2017 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mercyful Fate
Didn't ignore anything...it is because you are like a dog chasing its tail. No matter how hard you try, ya just can't escape the reality of some things.



You still don't get it. Not surprising.
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Old 01-25-2017 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dude Abides
When did they stop flying the 700's? And who was flying it for OO?
Doesn't sound accurate.
It's accurate. Just read an internal memo today about having a 700 in Alaska colors till summer and even a 200 will be doing some flying for a month. It sounds like Horizon is parking a couple Qs
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