Originally Posted by Hacker15e

I don't know of any other airlines that consider jumpseating to work as part of a crewmember's duty limits, so this is a new concept to almost any newhire who has worked at a pax airline prior to purple.

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver

You're not looking very hard or you have a pretty tough commute yourself and you're used to it.

Not to discourage our new guy too much, but it's reality.

The "direct every day" goes in the am, arriving around noon local. The one flight someone can use to commute to an am launch is two legs and gets in at 0030L.

The early jumpseat show in BOI and late arrival will make it impossible to use the commuter protection policy when commuting to some of the earlier departures, some westbound trips with multiple legs and some of the am out and backs. Hell, with the current schedule, a BOI commuter can't even commute with that protection to the trip back to his own city based on the 13:30 duty limit. Have you ever had to regularly consider those limits if and when you commuted to an am flight?

So, depending on one's probationary status and how lucky they feel, some may feel it necessary to leave their house 24-ish hours prior to showtime for their am out and back or BOI hub turn and take the morning jumpseat into MEM. Do you regularly commute that early on your am hub turns? Nothing like 13-14 hours of quality time in MEM before trips to make you appreciate your days off (not counting the one you burned getting there of course). The same thing applies to someone starting A-reserve without a trip assigned. Even if someone's off probation, I doubt most pilots want to be make a habit of relying on commuter protection if they have a stretch of bad luck with mx or wx (which is doubled since they've got a two leg commute).

Small markets often mean larger airline ticket prices that exceed established/baseline fares which can mean out of pocket costs when deviating. Add in the multiple legs required to get to MEM (or anywhere else) off line and it's pretty obvious why BOI might be a bit challenging when compared with some other cities.

Originally Posted by Hacker15e

I don't know of any other airlines that consider jumpseating to work as part of a crewmember's duty limits, so this is a new concept to almost any newhire who has worked at a pax airline prior to purple.

Originally Posted by Hacker15e

I don't know of any other airlines that consider jumpseating to work as part of a crewmember's duty limits, so this is a new concept to almost any newhire who has worked at a pax airline prior to purple.

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver

Few airlines, if any, have a policy like ours which protects pilots from commuting snafus. Ask any pilot at most airlines if they would be protected from any discipline with zero backups in the event they missed a trip.

Originally Posted by Mover

AA has a commuter clause. No backups required, just a reasonable attempt to get to work (i.e. - the flight you listed on had seats 24 hrs prior).

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver

Few airlines, if any, have a policy like ours which protects pilots from commuting snafus. Ask any pilot at most airlines if they would be protected from any discipline with zero backups in the event they missed a trip.

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox

WHY do I need Captain's permission ahead of time for a cockpit without a door or the last jumpseat in the cockpit? .

Originally Posted by MaydayMark

PurpleToolBox ...

****ed off again? Take a deep breath ... hold it ... breath out ...

Something else getting your blood pressure up? Maybe you would benefit from yoga?

Maybe you've had Captains decline your request for a jumpseat? I've never heard of that before. Maybe it's your sense of entitlement? Maybe you didn't bring cookies?

Maybe you're in the wrong line of work? Things aren't much worse here than anywhere else. Maybe you could get a job at another airline, one that treats pilots better?

Good luck with that.

MM