Big C

Yes, if they paid me to be on a 12 hour standby or Reserve shift then I would have been legal to take the flight. But that’s not the point. The issue is that they reprimanded me for not playing by their rules which were in direct violation of the FAR.

golfandfly

It’s up to you if you choose to disclose. If Fedex finds out, there’s a good chance you’d face similar consequences as the other guy. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t....

Noworkallplay

Nothing is in violation of the FAR’s unless you have a letter from the FAA, ERC or equivalent stating such.

AutoBrkOff

.....What?

Fdxlag2

The question he failed to answer was:

"Have you ever received formal discipline from your employer?"

Hacker15e

Yes.

Report it, and have an intelligent way to discuss it in the interview. Remember, the airline doesn't want to hear you explain why you "did nothing wrong" and how messed up your employer is for taking whatever actions against you that occurred.

With black marks, it is far far better to "over share" than it is to, like the OP, think that something is not a big deal and fail to report it on your app.

PurpleToolBox

YES!!

Think of FedEx as The Firm, as in the John Grisham thriller. You are Mitch McDeere and The Firm is FedEx Express. The Firm expects complete loyalty and zero tolerance for theft or deception.

The Firm is controlled by the best lawyers money can buy. Nothing is emailed, posted, distributed or written without first passing through the lawyer gauntlet.

The Firm has used and will use social media to terminate your employment. Before you hit send, think again. And NEVER type anything controversial in a company email as the system searches for key words. And this extends beyond the work environment. So please make sure Abby and the kids understand this as their posts have and will be used against you should you find yourself in the crosshairs of The Firm.

I don’t know of anyone dying of mysterious deaths at The Firm. However, I’m not holding my breath. Just don’t lie, cheat, steal or publicly speak out against The Firm. Otherwise it’s a great place to work.

Adlerdriver

I'm not sure how you're making a connecting between FAR legality and being paid. Maybe you're trying to say if they had defined a pre-determined on-call duty period start and end (as a result, paying you for your availability), then you would have been legal. But, really, the fact you weren't getting paid is not the trigger for legality or not.

Can a 135 pilot be on call 24/7? Didn't the FAA decide to apply the Whitlow rule to 135 operators back in about 2010 or is that only for 121? If you can't legally be on call for 24/7, then paying you isn't going to make it okay.

You should definitely report this on your application since it was an official letter from the company. Just because you don't agree with their reason for sending it doesn't mean it didn't happen. IMO, you should also make sure you have a better way of explaining the reason you declined the assignment that doesn't focus on whether they were paying you or not.

kc10/c130

Shhhh, I can't believe you said this. No one mentions The Firm. It makes Fight Club look like Glee club . Now they are going to have to erase your entire existence. My recommendation is recant everything, say you were mixing melatonin and alcohol and hope for the best

2StgTurbine

In theory you are right, but there are still operator who prefer to stick their head in the sand. I worked for a large 135 company and brought the Whitlow letter with me in training and told management (politely) how our policies were not in line with the FAA. I was told, "We have been in the business for 30 years and no one every brought that up, so I don't think it is a concern." A few months later I was told that since our POI signed off on our policies and we could always call out fatigued if we didn't feel comfortable with the trip that it was legal. Luckily they realized that the money saved by ignoring the FAA was not worth the legal risk and decided to end our 24 hour on call policy 6 months later.