You do know that the current Teamsters contract doesn’t expire for another 10 months right? Negotiations just started in August. There won’t be a strike and a new contract will be in place by August 1st 2021.

Yes I do know it expires at the end of July 2023. You are confident. Hopefully for their sake, and yours, they get a good contract. I mean that. I presume you did in fact see the “IF” in my post you quoted. As you can tell by the amount of posts I do, I don’t dive into the mud. The last word is yours

Our esteemed president just sent of loud and clear message about unionized labor’s chances of being released to strike. He said he was pro labor but when rubber met the road he bailed. What an embarrassment his term has been.

That adage is pretty stale… we’ve got a lot of trucks and they’ve got a lot of airplanes these days.

What the poster means is UPS trucks a larger portion of packages than FDX. When an Air package can be trucked and still arrive within the service timeline, it will be trucked. FDX doesn’t do this. And the UPS network is fully integrated, there are no Express and Ground trucks, just Brown trucks. UPS years ago made a significant shift to their weekend operations, hence why we don’t see as many weekend layovers as before or as FDX. They started trucking even the most time sensitive packages during the weekend vs flying them if they could meet service.

Another reason why FDX has more flights, UPS prefers to fly less frequency and more volume, one of the reasons they love the 74, especially the -8F. In a given route, FDX may perform 2 flights, UPS only 1. And FDX seems to do more point to point, UPS flies very little routes outside the traditional “hub and spoke” system. Yet revenue is marginally higher at UPS, but profitability is substantially higher. Packages get delivered on time, regardless how they get moved. Does it mean trucking them is cheaper and more efficient? I have no knowledge of internal operations or cost structure beyond this basic info, but it sure seems like it.

This is not a knock against FDX or for UPS, just elaborating on your “adage is pretty stale” comment, because that adage really does explain the difference between the companies.

FDX has been slowly been trying to vertically integrate the network, but the contractor model is just one of the issues. They could make this happen overnight, but they are hell bent on the contractor model.

Getting back on topic.

new class starting tomorrow.

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Interesting drop....

Who thinks this might be the last time for a while that new hires will be going into the MD, Bus, and 75? From some of the stuff I've been hearing, looks like next year's hiring will mainly be focused on placing bodies into the 76 and 777.

Time will tell...however, there are several pilots on property (myself included) awaiting training on the 76 or 77.

Does anyone know the total number of pilots hired in 2022 and 2021?


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Aren't a significant number of 777 slots in 2023 dedicated to those that were awarded it during System Bid 20-02?

Then additionally there are a significant number from 21-01 that are awaiting training for both 76 & 77.